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To say no to paying DH maintenance bill.

268 replies

ivechangedmyusername · 25/06/2018 16:23

Name changed but been here since before Mexican House thief and the small Korean lady in the Garden ..

DH has 4 dcs. (2 over 18 who now live with us/at Uni
I have 3. (2 over 18)

He paid £1500 a month in CM for 6yrs (as this covered the mortgage and was the divorce agreement. CMS was £918 so more than the minimum by quite a way. ) when ex remarried house was sold and ex retained 80% of the equity in exchange for no pension sharing. (Her share of the equity was £318k). She moved into her new (similarly wealthy , childless, ) husbands house. No mortgage. We know this because she tried (and failed) to move overseas with the dcs and part of the court process was full disclosure of their joint financial situation to prove they could afford to support the move.

My DH has been quite unwell mentally. He suffered from quite extreme stress from his job which whilst highly paid is equally highly stressful and performance based. We have evaluated our lives and decided that we would rather earn less and live longer - and have some more time for each other now the kids are older. He has taken unpaid leave from work which means he hasn't sought a new contract. He hasn't earned for 2 months whilst very unwell and has now decided to retrain in a completely different craft based field that will pay a quarter of what we he was previously earning.

Now to the AIBU . DH has emailed (the only way they can communicate even after a decade without a full scale screaming row. ) and told his ex what is happening and that CM will reduce in August to £325 per month. She has said that this is unacceptable and that his children 'still exist' and he needs to pay for them. He has told her that this is how it is going to be and that his maintenance payments should have reduced years ago when the eldest got to 18 but he didn't do that because he could afford not to. Now he needs to look after his health and this is what he can afford. CMS rate.
I have received an email from her today, the first time in a decade that she has spoken to me, telling me ;
' as you and my ex-husband have made a joint decision on this lifestyle choice, I think it only morally right that I look to you to make up the shortfall in maintenance.'. It is not my children's fault that their father is having some kind of midlife crisis and wants to go and commune with nature. He has children , they are not an optional financial obligation'. As you are supporting this plan, then it is only fair that you pay the shortfall in my children's finances in order to keep them in the lifestyle they are used to'.

For full disclosure, ex wife has not worked since eldest was born. (22yrs ago).
I have worked full time in a profession since 22 and only had a 3 month break after my first and 6 months for both subsequent babies.
My ex and I get on really well and he also pays me £500 pm in CMS for my only child now at home.
Husbands new job will not have a massive impact on our lifestyle except for the better (more time at home) .
AIBU so say no, I'm not paying what you perceive to be a shortfall and sod off and get a job. ?

OP posts:
BoneyBackJefferson · 25/06/2018 17:19

two possible replies

1
Dear DH's EX

HAHAHAHAHA

regards
etc.

or 2

Dear DH's EX

FOTFTFOSM

Regards
etc.

Then ignore.

IamXXHearMeRoar · 25/06/2018 17:22

What was the value of the pension vs the equity share?

How do you know she has banked it and not paid it towards her current home?

How often do the two youngest stay with you? What shared parenting goes on?

ArfArfBarf · 25/06/2018 17:23

Tbf isn’t it better planning to wait until the children are not dependent (ie not in full time education) before taking a massive pay cut? He’s choosing to massively decrease the amount he is providing for his children right at the point they are at there most expensive. It’s very convenient that as the non-resident parent he can just slash his contribution like that. So I can see her POV too.

AForegoneConclusion · 25/06/2018 17:25

All explained up thread Iamxx.
They know about the finances exactly due to disclosure in financial case.
The two oldest live with them. The two youngest are mentioned in a post but can't be arsed to scroll through. OP has said though.

ArfArfBarf · 25/06/2018 17:26

And I’m guessing if he’s someone in a high-paying role, his career has benefitted massively from having a non-working spouse, then resident parent who was not working to provide childcare for four children.

Leeds2 · 25/06/2018 17:27

I wouldn't reply at all. If you are looking to annoy her, no response will do so more than any other reply.
Have you told DH about the message? Is he likely to take matters into his own hands?

NeedsAsockamnesty · 25/06/2018 17:27

I dont think she’s outrageously cheeky asking nor do I think she’s unreasonable.

She has a point the pair of you are making a life style choice that impacts her. Most people don’t have the luxury to sack off their job one where they managed the stress when it suited them as soon as it suited them not to when they have dependant children.

But you are not unreasonable to refuse.

The one here at fault is your husband who should have had some form of conversation in writing if needed because the pair of them can’t grow up, with fair and decent warning prior to an actual decision being made so she had sufficient time to make aramgements to change anything she needed to. Her income and savings are irrelevant

AForegoneConclusion · 25/06/2018 17:28

I would think having a father who is alive and not having a mental breakdown is more important than a reduction in his income surely?! I know if my Dad was mentally unwell I would rather him get better and give me X amount of allowance per month.

Aquamarine1029 · 25/06/2018 17:28

His ex is quite the piece of work. The worst thing you can do is to reply to her ridiculous email. Ignore, ignore, ignore. Your husband needs to deal with her.

Ariela · 25/06/2018 17:31

No.

A small sum from a living ex is better than no money from a dead one.

ivechangedmyusername · 25/06/2018 17:32

The eldest two moved to us at 14 & 16. The court order was to pay the child maintenance at the rate to cover the mortgage until the youngest was out of full time non advanced education. (Nothing about Uni. ) OR until she decided to sell the house at which point she could take 80% of the equity in exchange for no pension share and his child maintenance would then reduce to £918 until the eldest reached 18.. and so on. Only he never reduced it because he saw it as making his childrens lives easier and I only had the occasional rant at the injustice..

She sold the house when she remarried (although this had to go back to court as she had moved in with fiancé and was renting it out for £2.5k whilst DH was paying the mortgage !! (I know, it defies belief)....

So at one point she was 'earning ' £4K a month without lifting a finger.. nice work if you can get it.
Now that's reduced to basic CM based on DH new projected salary.

It really pissed me off. I read so many stories on here of useless fathers who never pay a penny for their kids and mine gets nearly hounded into an early grave for trying to do the right thing.
Why do some women believe they don't have to work once the kids are at school? That they are owed a living by giving birth .

OP posts:
BlueBug45 · 25/06/2018 17:36

OP forward the email to your DH and do not reply or engage with this woman otherwise you will be allowing her to start harassing you, plus upsetting all your DH's children.

If she want to take it to the CMS she can.

sexnotgender · 25/06/2018 17:43

Your DH has been more than generous, she is a grasping cow.

GreenTulips · 25/06/2018 17:46

his career has benefitted massively from having a non-working spouse

This so about X contacting OP who works to pay the short fall - nothing else

sexnotgender · 25/06/2018 17:49

Has his career benefited massively? Yes most likely.

Are the children now more than sufficiently grown that her ladyship could go back to work? Most definitely and have been for some time!

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/06/2018 17:53

Omg she’s one cheeky woman.

In your position I really would just ignore her. She (her ladyship) has deigned to speak to you from on high after all this time and you just ignore her. I think it will upset her far more than any response. She’s gagging for a fight. Don’t give her one.

ohreallyohreallyoh · 25/06/2018 17:56

I would think having a father who is alive and not having a mental breakdown is more important than a reduction in his income surely?

Only applies to men, though, doesn’t it? As a RP, I don’t have the luxury of a mental breakdown, I need to support my children. If I didn’t the MN jury would be out with their pitch forks. NRP can do what they want, bless em, they work so hard.

Disclaimer: speaking generally, not about this particular case.

AForegoneConclusion · 25/06/2018 17:59

Well I had the "luxury" of a massive mental breakdown if you could call it that. What a ridiculous thing to say. Like you can help it or it is some joyus period of your life Hmm I couldn't work and quit my job. DH provided.

AForegoneConclusion · 25/06/2018 18:02

And he IS a resident parent to two of the children since they were 14 and 16 until now?

funinthesun18 · 25/06/2018 18:30

As a RP, I don’t have the luxury of a mental breakdown, I need to support my children

Oh here we go with with “I’m a poor RP” mantra as usual. You might as well say you don’t have the “luxury” of becoming physically ill then e.g. having cancer. Mental illness is a real thing you know and can get progressively worse. Hmm

AngelsSins · 25/06/2018 18:30

Your DH has been more than generous, she is a grasping cow

It is not more than generous for a man to pay for his children! Any good father, who could afford it, would pay over the minimum! I’m sure the mother has paid a hell of a lot herself!

Dobbythesockelf · 25/06/2018 18:35

Having a mental breakdown is not a choice the same as having a heart attack isn't a choice. It's not a luxury and it is horrible to speak of it as such. If you really believe that mental health problems are something people choose to have then you have obviously never had to deal with your own mental health.

BoxsetsAndPopcorn · 25/06/2018 18:41

Tbf isn’t it better planning to wait until the children are not dependent (ie not in full time education) before taking a massive pay cut? He’s choosing to massively decrease the amount he is providing for his children right at the point they are at there most expensive. It’s very convenient that as the non-resident parent he can just slash his contribution like that

This ^^

Yes she should be supporting them too and he should say that but deciding to change career knowing it will impact on this child support is a mean thing to do. He only had a short few years left until thy were adults.

twiglet · 25/06/2018 18:44

@angelsins I think it's pretty generous given he was paying for the mortgage whilst his ex rented it out and made a profit from it whilst living with her new partner......
His ex is throwing her toys out of her pram because she is not getting her own way.

FuckPants · 25/06/2018 18:44

I'd be telling the ex to get fucked.

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