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To have not realised that Cuba is in the Caribbean?

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MeMyShelfandIkea · 23/06/2018 21:29

Watching Blind Date tonight and one of the couples is on their date in Cuba. I commented to DH did he ever fancy visiting somewhere like that? He said what, the Caribbean? I said no, South America. DH then informs me that Cuba is a Caribbean island and despite showing me on the map I still can't get my head around it!

Tell me I'm not the only one whose geographical knowledge is hopeless Blush

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fruitcider · 25/06/2018 12:55

I think it's worth quoting this again, to reiterate the ignorance on this thread

Ignorance? I think the way the history of WW2 is taught in the uk is pretty ignorant. It's very uk centric.

Anyway, another geography error I've made before was thinking the Maldives were also in the Caribbean 😳

Moonkissedlegs · 25/06/2018 13:01

Ignorance? I think the way the history of WW2 is taught in the uk is pretty ignorant. It's very uk centric.

Nevertheless, Dunkirk is still a place in France.

RockNRollNerd · 25/06/2018 13:04

moonkiss have you looked at the maps. It’s mind boggling. It’s because Panama isn’t straight across the middle (which I thought it was) and it sort of jinks round rather than just being a straight line East to West.

www.thoughtco.com/direction-of-ships-through-panama-canal-4071875 This link sort of explains it but looking at a map makes it clearer.

bellinisurge · 25/06/2018 13:07

The excuse for poor history and geography knowledge is, we didn't learn it at school. Presumably you were taught how to read at school. Isn't this stuff just general knowledge?
My pal when applying for British citizenship had to bone up on the Boxer rebellion for the test - I'd have to too. It's a bit specialist. We joked that many Brits would struggle with a lot of the test. This thread does make you wonder ....

StorminaBcup · 25/06/2018 13:13

Didn't they post the citizen test on the BBC website a few years ago and after most Brits they'd interviewed failed it?

Moonkissedlegs · 25/06/2018 13:42

@RockNRollNerd yes I looked, that is mad and not at all how I imagined! Every day a school day on MN, thanks for today's! X

SeamstressfromTreacleMineRoad · 25/06/2018 13:44

Stands to applaud RedToothBrush We are seeing today the results of the I'm not interested in the past attitude - if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it, and the idea of repeating some of the events of the last century is chilling...

Children do still cover WWII in History - and learning about the evacuation of children from British cities is very relevant to letting us make an attempt to show our DC and DGC why what is happening in the US at the moment is so very, very wrong... Sad

ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2018 14:01

The Panama Canal thing is even better than Edinburgh being more westerly than Bristol.

BMW6 · 25/06/2018 14:09

For the umpteenth time Portsmouth is an island

Graphista · 25/06/2018 14:17

My comment on dancinghippo's post was in ref also to

"Unlike the Boer War, it was fought in Europe and affected everyone in the country directly due to the air raids" which suggested to me they considered WWII to have mainly if not only have occurred in Europe, whereas it really was a WORLD war with conflicts in the Middle East, other parts of Africa, Asia and the Americas all being inter-connected, some starting before our recognised start of WWII being due solely to hitlers invasion of Poland.

If I was wrong to surmise that I apologise.

A programme I particularly enjoy is Who Do You Think You Are? British and other versions. The facts seem to sink in better when I can relate to the individuals affected. There's been episodes relating to subjects who are of non-European heritage, the history we're taught at school tends to focus on Europe and I've learnt a lot from not only watching the programme but also its motivated me to find out more about certain countries and events outside Europe.

My brother didn't get why Americans were so freaked about the Cuban missile crisis until watching a fairly unrelated programme that made it clear Cuba was bloody close to Florida! He had a 'wtf' moment and went off to check some other things, only to have ANOTHER moment upon discovering the Bering strait. Made the USA concerns re Russian aggression during the Cold War make more sense to him.

Competitive ignorance is not a good thing, but it's also good to remember and acknowledge our knowledge gaps.

My stumbling blocks are science history, plant biology, sports and art. I'm trying to learn more.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2018 16:19

YY to Who do you think you are?

History can be such a dry subject which does seem to bare no connection to your life. But social history which places you into some sort of context with your own life is much more interesting and an entry point to more traditional military history and political history.

I confess I am a geek when it comes to this, but I've learnt so much from doing my own family history and DH's history. Far more than I ever learnt from history at school (or even university).

There's one murder in DH's family which they published an account of what happened in the newspaper followed by another of the execution. The first is shocking to read even today when we are used to pretty violent stuff on TV.

Its incredibly graphic, saying where the blood ended up. (Domestic violence incident, husband kills the wife by slitting her throat, after she had returned from going to court over his violent behavior, in front of his 15 year old nephew. He then tried to slit his own throat but cocked it up).

The second article about the execution, is amazingly voyaristic and makes me think it was the Victorian form of reality TV in the detail it goes to. It pretty much says every word he said to whom in the hours before his death and what he ate, how long it took to walk to the gallows and how quickly he died. Oh and course, the newspaper said he was otherwise a nice bloke.

It made me think that the Victorians were not quite as prim, proper and prudish as you think. And they'd have bloody adored Love Island.

Finding out about the murderers in the family is hardly boring. I mean, how many murder mysteries are on TV every day? And whilst thats the extreme end, most people have stories in there somewhere, often not to far into the distinct past.

My weaknesses? I know fuck all about golf and cricket and central African countries. I'd get stuck on pre-20th Century Prime Ministers too. Computer Programming? Just no. Ditto Physics.

iklboo · 25/06/2018 16:23

Ignorance? I think the way the history of WW2 is taught in the uk is pretty ignorant. It's very uk centric.

Not necessarily - when I was a school we covered all the major theatres of war & their impact - mainland Europe, Russia, Japan, USA etc.

fruitcider · 25/06/2018 16:35

Not necessarily - when I was a school we covered all the major theatres of war & their impact - mainland Europe, Russia, Japan, USA etc.

I meant pretty ignorant when it comes to who helped end the war. Big clue: it wasn't the UK or America.

MeMyShelfandIkea · 25/06/2018 17:00

@redtoothbrush I'm glad I started this thread, your posts have made great reading.

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RedToothBrush · 25/06/2018 17:32

Ignorance? I think the way the history of WW2 is taught in the uk is pretty ignorant. It's very uk centric.

I actually agree with that.

One of my best friends is Dutch, and I have wondered about her family's WWII experiences. They alluded to it once and I confess, I was pretty ignorant. I know there was a lot of starvation but thats about it.

Its little things like that. We don't get much past 'Allo 'Allo style stereotypes.

Sevendown · 25/06/2018 18:56

I found school history too U.K. focussed.

I’d have loved to have learned about French or Russian history or about ancient civilisations like the Incas and Mayans.

I’m also more interested in how normal people lived than who the leaders were and what wars they had.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/06/2018 19:12

Speaking of WW2 history, growing up in the US in the midst of the Cold War, we learnt absolutely nothing about Russia's involvement. Zero. Other than that they were one of the Allies and then turned E Germany communist. As far as we learnt the US and the UK did it all while Russia sat on its hands.

Needless to say I know better now!

StorminaBcup · 25/06/2018 19:55

I only found out that Russia liberated the concentration camps after reading the tattooist of Auschwitz Blush . I didn't study history beyond the 3rd year (which covered Boudicca) and my History teacher completely turned me off the subject.

bellinisurge · 25/06/2018 20:20

They didn't liberate all of them. British troops liberated Belsen. But yes, Soviet troups did liberate the ones in Poland.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2018 20:24

I didn't do o level history but from my recollection of friends complaining about having to write essays about the Chartists etc the syllabus they did was pretty anglocentric. However, DH (who went to a private school, maybe that's relevant?) did World history which was much wider.

bellinisurge · 25/06/2018 20:39

Again- nothing preventing people reading.

PolkerrisBeach · 25/06/2018 20:43

All this "oh but I was taught x, y or z in school" is a bit pathetic. I did geography at school to exam level, not history. But I read, watch stuff on telly, inform myself.

Ignorance is never cool.

pinkmagic1 · 25/06/2018 20:48

I am fairly good at geography, I have to be due to my job.
However, I have to admit that I didn't know that Kaliningrad existed until today! For anyone that doesn't know, it is a part of Russia the size of Yorkshire sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania and totally separate from the rest of Russia.

kalapattar · 25/06/2018 20:54

Kalinigrad is interesting.

I wonder how many people know where North Korea is? Seeing as it's in the news a lot at the moment.

DuchyDuke · 25/06/2018 20:57

Some of Costa Rica is in the caribbean too

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