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To have not realised that Cuba is in the Caribbean?

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MeMyShelfandIkea · 23/06/2018 21:29

Watching Blind Date tonight and one of the couples is on their date in Cuba. I commented to DH did he ever fancy visiting somewhere like that? He said what, the Caribbean? I said no, South America. DH then informs me that Cuba is a Caribbean island and despite showing me on the map I still can't get my head around it!

Tell me I'm not the only one whose geographical knowledge is hopeless Blush

OP posts:
Ninmpy · 24/06/2018 10:30

God some of you are thick Grin

I was mortified when I confused Dominica with Dominican republic

MereDintofPandiculation · 24/06/2018 10:31

The people who fought in WW2 or subject to directed labour are now in their mid 90s. Their children were also affected in the sense that wartime values of frugality affected their childhood, and they're now in their 60s and 70s - ie the grandparent generation. The link to current children is tenuous - by the next generation it will be "history".

Similarly it's the 80- and 90 year olds who can remember life before the NHS and the welfare state.

In theory we should learn from history; in practice we learn only from what we experience ourselves.

AornisHades · 24/06/2018 11:20

Dancing no I don't think it has passed out yet but it's starting.
The Boer War is commemorated in street names and Zulu gets shown on the telly.

Sevendown · 24/06/2018 11:36

I have a history degree and although I recognised the name Rommel I had to google to check who he was.

Thatsnotmypresident · 24/06/2018 11:47

We all have our areas of interest and areas of disinterest, to suggest that people are "thick" because they're not as interested in Geography as you is, in my opinion, "beyond ignorant" as some posters would put it

Stickmangate · 24/06/2018 11:48

All the ness places are in Scotland*

Shoeburyness is in Essex on the Thames and foulness is also in Essex an island in the Thames.

Canvey island is in Essex as well

RedToothBrush · 24/06/2018 12:02

This is stuff passing from common knowledge to history. Most of us would struggle with the big events of the Boer War.

WWII is/was taught about in schools. It was part of the life experience of the parents/grandparents of just about everyone who will post on MN. WWII has been the subject of many more dramas, films and documentaries than the Boer War. WWII shaped current politics to a far bigger degree than the Boer War does. WWII is relevant to current geography.

If you don't care about WWII, you don't care about your rights, freedom and humanity.

Dunkirk is one of the most effective bits of British propaganda ever. A resounding defeat was made into an amazing victory in the minds of the British.

Understanding this, is interesting psychologically about how the public can be manipulated into believing a particular narrative that is at odds with events. Thats pretty important even if you don't give a shit about history.

The Boer War, not being part of our National Psychology owes a lot to the politics of WWII and current politics - and not being particularly willing to own up to some of the rather nasty things we did under the name of Empire.

The Boer War (or to be pedantic, the 2nd Boer War), was when the term 'concerntration camp' became popular. They were set up as refugees camps, but the reality was the British in an attempt to flush out guerilla, operated a systematic scorched earth policy of destorying the property of civilian Boers such as farms and crops and forcing those civilians into the camps, where thousands died of disease due to the conditions being so poor. It was the first time such tactics had been used so systematically.

Of course, as soon as WWII came along, this really did become something we'd really rather forget as a nation because 'moral high ground'. We are all rather too happy to think concerntration camps are a Nazi invention. We weren't like that.

This is all rather important now more than ever, cos we have Donald Trump with his caged children. Which the Red Cross have been refused to access to.

We tend to 'forget' things which politicians don't want us to remember.

I know this thread's intent was to be funny, but parts of it really aren't funny tbh. Its really concerning.

Being ignorant of basic general knowledge is almost seen within British culture as a good thing with those who do know things being labelled with the pejorative of 'boring'. Its normalised and thought of as totally acceptable. Ironically it puts us all at risk of that ignorance being exploited by the unscruplous. Once upon a time, the miners built libraries. Why was that?

Yes, an overly serious post in a thread which was originally lighthearted, but there's a few posts that crossed a line and I think should be reflected on. There's a lot of rewriting of history (and geography) currently going on atm combined.

Sorry OP.

Maelstrop · 24/06/2018 12:05

I had several people ask me about the Channel Tunnel: can you see the fishes?

Kids always ask that on school trips when I say we’ll be going via the ‘Chunnel’.

I taught countries recently with Year 8. The questions/assumptions were hilarious. Apparently, Belgium is in Germany and Finland is in the South Pole. Hmm, ok, yeah, right. I had fun discussing official languages in Switzerland and Belgium and which nationalities weren’t also languages in Europe.

Jaxtellerswife · 24/06/2018 12:06

I know someone that thought Copenhagen was near Bedford Grin
(She's great, that's not meant in an insulting way)

Havanananana · 24/06/2018 12:38

I regularly travel to Copenhagen. It is not near Bedford (of course) - nor are there snowdrifts in summer or polar bears walking down the main street. It lies further south than both Edinburgh and Glasgow.

Regarding Dunkirk and D-Day; the D-Day landings took place in Normandy, which is about 300 miles from Dunkirk, so about as far away from Dunkirk as Newcastle is from London.

Dunkirk is well-known amongst truckers and holidaymakers who use the Dover-Dunkirk ferries. It is the second largest Channel ferry port after Calais.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 24/06/2018 12:47

My dc enjoy asking people how far apart they think the USA and Russia are.

FluctuatNecMergitur · 24/06/2018 13:26

Thorpeness and Dungeness, Suffolk and Essex.

TooManyPaws · 24/06/2018 13:31

@shouldwestayorshouldwego The width of the Bering Strait?

GaryBarlowsTaxReturn · 24/06/2018 13:53

Dungeness is in Kent!

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 24/06/2018 13:55

Yes TooManyPaws you can see why 55 miles felt uncomfortably close during the cold war.

vampirethriller · 24/06/2018 14:16

My sister thought Vietnam was in America until she was 25.

Mc180768 · 24/06/2018 14:42

Love this thread.

My brother in his homework was asked why the Americans joined the Vietnam War 'To spread communism' was his answer. Confused (was 30 years ago but I remember it well)

Americans themselves aren't too confident on Sweden/Switzerland. Plus they think UK is the 51st state.

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shouldwestayorshouldwego · 24/06/2018 14:59

Americans themselves aren't too confident on Sweden/Switzerland. Plus they think UK is the 51st state.

I've had Americans ask me what state England is in and whether we speak English in England.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/06/2018 15:22

Hey, I'm American and I know a lot about British geography!! I know that Hogwarts is in Northern Scotland and Westeros is in Northern Ireland!!! Grin

I agree that many Americans wouldn't be able to point out either Sweden or Switzerland on a map. But I'm pretty sure that most of us know they're two different countries.

I've never met an American who thinks the UK is an American state, unless somehow they're mistakenly thinking "New England" which is a group of states in the far N/E of the US.

But I have had people from other countries (planning Disney vacations) ask me how many hours it would take them to drive from Los Angeles to Orlando as if it were a drive of a day or two. They wanted to visit both Disneyland and Disney World, you see. But then again, sometimes I think that places in the UK are much further apart than they appear. Distance is relative to what we're used to, I guess.

I love geography and can happily spend hours on Google Earth 'flying' from place to place. And I think that geography is a much 'undertaught' subject in US schools.

SusanWalker · 24/06/2018 15:22

I was surprised to discover that the Japanese had occupied American territory (the Aleutian Islands) in WW2. But then the European side of ww2 tends to overshadow the Pacific side.

SusanWalker · 24/06/2018 15:26

To be fair AcrossthePond55 I sometimes look up American states and am surprised by where they are. I didn't realise North and South Dakota were as far North as they are.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 24/06/2018 15:27

I wouldn't take it personally, I think we can see from this thread AcrossthePond55 that some UK inhabitants know startling little about UK/ Europe geography!

AcrossthePond55 · 24/06/2018 15:35

Not taking it personally at all should! It's funny what we think we know vs what we know about where things are. And how shocked we can be at what others don't know.

Susan I'll admit that for years I didn't realize how far north the UK was. I always put the UK in the same general latitude as our New England.

Pa1oma · 24/06/2018 15:49

Yes the UK is very far north really, but people don't realise this about London particularly as the temps rarely fall below zero because of the Gulf Stream, whereas the same latitude in the US would be minus 10 for months - e.g. Toronto. Similarly, NYC is on the same latitude as Spain but much colder and harsher winters.

ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/06/2018 15:55

I remember reading this on a mumsnet thread before.

"Wales isn't really in the UK is it? England is the UK, the rest are just hanging on by a bridge or two". I wasn't sure whether I was Grin or Angry

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