Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

My point was that in my view using the term “white” in that context isn’t racist as structurally and politically in this society being white is beneficial. If you think that it spreading hatred that is your prerogative.

Racism does and always has meant discrimination or hatred towards someone else or a group on the basis of their race. There was no caveat or exclusion of races.

The theory you’re expounding up there is one which has only become prominent in the last few years and is generally used by people who are racist against white people or who want to justify racism against white people (as you have just attempted to do). It’s a get out clause. It’s a convenient excuss for racists. It’s the POC version of “Some of my best friends are black but...”

People visiting from the rural areas, estates can be very negative and often racist feeling that the 'pakis' have taken over. Not saying that everybody from those area is like that, just that is what I have experienced. Have also experienced discrimination from other Pakistanis and been brunt of joke for being from bradford. It is a northern town, but I feel safe and have never experienced negative treatment. Common social media theme is that being white would make bradford town centre unsafe, stated by those who live outside the city

Not saying that everybody from those area is like that, just that is what I have experienced

A lot of them are, ime. I live and work with them. Our older generation are shockingly small minded, ignorant and racist. The homophobia is dying down somewhat. Hopefully, in time, as the younger generations come up and we get more multiculturalism, the problem will fade.

Apart from the Niqab, which around my area is heavily associated with terrorism and Isis [eyeroll] no-one mentions clothes and so far, most people are (in my small town at least) British and Northern enough to remain politely distanced rather than launch racist attacks on POC. They rant to other white people (always about benefits, jobs and ISIS, never clothing).

Oddly, Chinese people are accepted and their cultural differences are embraced. I assume it's because Chinese people have been here longer. The older generation grew up with them, went to school with them, worked with them.

animaginative, Yorkshire too. Similar problems here with estates.

The thing is, in my city and the surrounding towns, estates are almost exclusively white or Asian with very little mixing. Same in a lot of other Northern towns. It must have been a deliberate policy because it’s really prevalent.

It’s caused nothing but trouble and segregation. I do think it often leads to the “white people are this, white people are that” attitude, be that powerful and privileged or slutty drunks. Because if people are only mixing with white people in very limited situations, like the police, teachers, job interviews, or while working in a taxi or takeaway that sees lots of after pub business, they’re going to have a really skewed view of white people. If different groups lives were less segregated, they’d probably see we’re not that different.

Loads of racism in Bradford. You only have to listen to people talking at school application time.

I laugh at those who seem to think they discovered hummus at Whole Foods when they could have bought it 20 years ago from the Iraqi shop in Twickenham (which they wouldn’t be seen dead in coz it ain’t trendy or organic)

I feel the same way when I see people eating fish and chips, hamburgers, pizza and spaghetti.

@lost how so? Fish and chips came from Portugal (from Sephardic Jews), hamburgers probably from Germany I’d guess, pizza and spaghetti are Italian.

FFS Londonn go look up the difference between equality and equity.
As for this little gem: After your ignorant views on racism I’m still surprised that you’re posting on here. Well, I'd suggest a name change to be honest...

That’s another thing that is deliberately segregated - schools. There are Muslim and Christian schools almost exclusively. The boundaries were even changed near me when the population make up changed in certain areas. It’s totally deliberate.

Bradford has huge problems on both sides and the way the riots were dealt with was awful and just bred more resentment.

@strongmummy your point is invalid as you are incorrect and refusing to admit it.
You are not above the law. Considering you think you are surely you are the one in the middle of a mental break down.
Like I said continue spreading your hate!!!

@strongmummy who is misinformed now. The Italians actually copied pasta from Asia. Better put that plate of pasta down because you clearly don’t know it’s heritage 😂😂😂

Actually, mentioning Bradford, the man who wrote the report on the riots has written a report which kid of shows just how destructive the idea is. It works from the premise that multiculturalism is outdated and promotes segregation. His proposal is that it is replaced with Interculturalism, which stresses the benefits of cultures mixing and exchanging ideas and practices and habits and fashion and food to promote cohesion.

tedcantle.co.uk/publications/about-interculturalism/

He kind of shows up the theory of cultural appropriation is the divisive racist nonsense it is and is intended to be. It’s a tool of people who actively want racial tension and recrimination.

How on earth is she spreading hate? You're the one who seems hell-bent on the idea that we are part of the problem if we get angry about people disrespecting our culture and as for the food argument, it's different because there isn't double standards for white people and POC. With lots of cultural clothing, POC are told they need to integrate while white people can wear the same thing, tell everyone it's from a random country because they don't know its actual origin, call it 'vintage' etc and get praised for it. With food it's different because the vast majority of the time people aren't discriminated against for eating food from their own culture.

@LeahJack that will be an interesting read.

I find that the best thing to do about "Appropriation" and threads about it is to just ignore it & do what you were going to do/wear what you were going to wear anyway.

Unless you're famous or at a Uni where some idiot would have a pop it'll never crop up in the average persons life.....

Of course it’s racist! A racist remark is being derogatory about another persons race it’s not about location or white balance of power.

In Britain If a gang of Asian males attack s white lad and while doing so call him a white bastard that is an attack with racist overtones and visa Versa.

The law recognised that at least in Britain. Maybe not in the USA.

I think people are encouraged to integrate and I think the wearing of the full burkha can be problematic in that but saris, head scarfs are wonderful. Why on earth wouldn’t any woman be proud to wear those and be proud to share that with other women of any faith or none.

You are spreading division. Absolute it’s totslly unacceptable for any woman of colour to be told her hair is ‘too black’ that’s blatant racism and against our laws. By all means let’s fight racism and more in reality sexism but to have women in fighting over clothes and hair is just sad.

Full burkha is problematic, why? Because you don’t find it attractive? I thought women weren’t supposed to dictate to other women what they can/can’t wear as it’s misogynist 🤔

“Why on earth wouldn’t any woman be proud to wear those and be proud to share that with other women of any faith or none.”

Well, if she wants to, yes. But I see no reason why people should happily share symbols of their religion with others unless they want to. Which goes back to my didgeridoo example. Which has been mainly ignored because it doesn’t fit the “women being mean to each other” narrative being peddled by the......feminists.....on this thread.

Full burkha is problematic, why?

Because with regards to integration the Burkha is seen as a pretty anti-social garment.

Interesting article on the didgeridoo here.

Seems that that there is a common version created for the tourism industry with non-traditional decorations.

Was this the version your son had?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didgeridoo

It's only anti-social if people perceive it as anti-social. People shouldn't have to change their dress, habits etc to appease another culture or other people's expectations.

Strong

No and stop assuming things not posted. I find it problematic because it’s hard to communicate. I also know it has mysogynistic origins so that’s problematic for ne too but that’s my issue not about any women who chooses to wear it. Again I think any woman should wear what she chooses.

The example of the French lady being told to undress on the beach I found deeply chilling.

i see no reason why people should happily share symbols of their religion

But why wouldn’t they want to? Religions are supposed to spread that’s the point of them.

Upthresd someone mentioned the divided areas of white/non ehite.

It start with the children and schools. In my opinion schools should be a religious. Teach and respect all religions but all this C/E, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish schools simply foster division which leads to ignorance and hate.

But that ain’t never going to happen because st the end of the day people cling to their own religions, cultures and colour and don’t really want to mix.

As is evident on this thread.,

Should be non religious.

@taco why should food and clothing be any different? Both are part of a culture.