Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

londonlove

It could be! I was being a brummie snob then tarnishing you soft southerners I do apologise

Strong

Yes it so did. You are indeed so clever. I didn’t see your attempt at humour gosh will I ever learn

😂😂😂😂

@ohmy on the basis you can’t get to grips with the arguments being put forward very clearly and eloquently by Taco and Gilead, I doubt it

Anyway got to go to bed now.

Up early to plan my outfit tomorrow. I am thinking Morris dancing kit and a bit of wassailing. That should do it in Aldi’s.

Nitey night peeps and may you God go with you!

If you don’t know that epitaph u tube it. Dave Allen.

Maybe start another thread about Ireland

especially you strongmummy

Loved Dave Allen - although his half thumb used to freak me out

It is normally everyone else offended on behalf of the group that 'should be offended'. It is quite funny really

"Offended" is an odd word. I wasn't offended by the sight of my son and his didgeredoo, for example. I felt uncomfortable, a bit ignorant (because I didn't know enough to know whether he was doing the equivalent of using a consecrated host as a cheese biscuit) and just vaguely disrespectful. I often find myself being told I am offended, when actually want I am feeling is much more nuanced than that.

Not offended but annoyed that when I wear shalwar kameez, traditional pakistani clothes I am accused of not integrating and respecting British values and culture. Yet when a white person wears those clothes it becomes fashionable and acceptable.

People can wear whatever they want but a little respect and understanding of other cultures would be sensible.

Agreed, it isn’t offence. If I see a European wearing keffiyeh I feel a bit sad that it’s fashionable for them, but Arabs are insulted for wearing the same. Because I understand that feeling from my own experience it’s easier to empathise with others who feel the same.

I laugh at those who seem to think they discovered hummus at Whole Foods when they could have bought it 20 years ago from the Iraqi shop in Twickenham (which they wouldn’t be seen dead in coz it ain’t trendy or organic) 🤣

Also @ok if you read the thread you’ll see that most of us feeling this way about CA are either not of European heritage at all or are not fully European

@strongmummy I was eating hummus more than 20 years ago and I’m in my thirties.

Is this thread still going on.

After your ignorant views on racism I’m still surprised that you’re posting on here.

@london, good for you 🤣

"After your ignorant views on racism I’m still surprised that you’re posting on here."
I think the word "gobsmacked" was invented specifically to respond to this sentence!

@bertrand - I was too gobsmacked to respond to her, so thank you 🤣🤣

Not offended but annoyed that when I wear shalwar kameez, traditional pakistani clothes I am accused of not integrating and respecting British values and culture. Yet when a white person wears those clothes it becomes fashionable and acceptable.

Again, people are mistaking middle class metropolitan white people for “white people” in general.

I live up North and if white girls wear the shalwar kameez (usually because they have married an Asian man) they get abuse, called a “paki fucker”, people wonder if they’re an abuse victim and quite often people assume they are a ‘side wife’ and the man has another wife in a marriage his parents arranged (that last one is fairly often true actually).

See this is the problem. An assumption that all white people live a privileged lifestyle and are influential and have power. Most of them don’t. I think that’s part of the reason these are most trendy in London. Because a lot of Londoners are completely unaware how the rest of the country lives outside twee tourist spots.

Who is calling the girl a “p@ki fucker” or abuse victim?

@LeahJack same here - up north. I have a white friend who does henna/mehendi for a fee. But me or other local Asian don't see it CA, or that she is cashing on a trend. It does depend where you go, I do agree that racist victims can be both white/POC. Just that the frequency is higher with POC as victim.

#equality something @strongmummy doesn’t believe in. You have been the most contradictory person on this thread!

Or is equality one sided. Oh wait is that possible 🤔. Being equal is one sided hmmmmm.

Go spread your hate somewhere else

@leahjack I’m obviously a Londoner and you are correct in what you say about Londoners!

Where up North, animaginvite?

I'm also northern and most Asian men wear traditional dress. I haven't noticed many women apart from my parents neighbors who are not Asian, they are Syrian and wear Hijabs. People on the street have an issue with them but not because they wear the Hijab.

I won't pretend there is no racism, there is, sadly, but it's not because of what they are wearing. We are a small mining town and multiculturalism isn't something we've experienced until recently. A lot of the older generation see brown skin and assume they're raking in all the British benefits that should go to homeless British veterans. Them wearing Western clothing wouldn't make a difference. Facebook publishing actual facts would help, since that appears to be their main source of news.

@london - on the basis I think you may be in the midst of some sort of mental collapse I am going to only respond once more to you.

On this thread I have argued for people to be sensitive and thoughtful to other cultures. I agreed that you being called a “white bitch” was rude and offensive. My point was that in my view using the term “white” in that context isn’t racist as structurally and politically in this society being white is beneficial. If you think that it spreading hatred that is your prerogative.

For the record I was once called an American Bitch when I was in Jordan. It was upsetting as I’ve Jordanian heritage but as I’ve said before I look European. I was also ashamed that an American could be abused like that in my country. I was upset, angry and ashamed at being called a bitch. However, I really didn’t view it as a racist “attack” as America has huge amounts of power in Jordan.

@Frequency bradford, West Yorkshire. There is still a lot of 'them' and 'us' among the communities. I do think the issue is generational and depends which area