Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

Oh do grow up dear. You have had a debate. Deal with it. Or get off aibu.

If you marry someone from another culture, you're still subject to a lot of side eye, it would seem by some of the previous responses.

I wonder if gilead has done this before 🤔

"Honestly really love not knowing which peice of clothing is south Asian or Indian isn’t racist.

You sound incredibly young. I have lived all my life in probably a far more multicultural area then you being Handsworth and no one repeat none would see that as racist.

Seriously you don’t really understand the term racist Do you?"

Well first off its not 'south Asian or Indian' because Indian is south Asian but south Asian does not mean Indian.

Not knowing whether somehing is Indian or not isnt racist. Assuming that everything that 'looks brown' is Indian is racist. Because it suggests that there is no difference between countries. You wouldn't assume that something that looked 'oriental' was Chinese, would you? Because there are many other East Asian countries that it could belong to. It's like looking at a kilt and and assuming it's French because all white countries are basically the same, when they're clearly not. South Asian countries all have differences between them, people just can't be arsed to know what they are. Just because you dont know doesn't mean you can assume.

And for a white person to tell a POC who has shared their experiences on this thread of being generalised and disrespected that they don't know what racism means.... That's just so fucking condescending. You're white, and you're so lucky to be. You will never be spat at on the Tube, called terrorist scum, have people assume you're from a different country based on massive generalisations on your skin colour... all this that have happened to me. And for you, someone who will never be at risk of experiencing these things, to tell me that I don't know what racism is... I'm just astounded right now.

I don’t know maybe but if you come on aibu you should expect a debate. That’s what it’s for. If you want blind agreement don’t bother

Was that directed at me?

@tacolover previously you had told me you had embraced your culture. To say someone is lucky because they are white doesn’t tell me you have embraced your culture.
The experiences you mentioned are disgusting. No one should be treated like that.

In my view (and it’s just my view) if a person of a particular culture invites you to participate in that culture you should do it.

I agree :) I mean, if you want to, obviously. Not that it's an obligation / requirement.

In your example your relative was marrying into a culture and so was showing her respect and appreciation

Well, she was not marrying "into" his culture (or family...), they were marrying each other.

But I agree, it was about respect and appreciation. And probably also about "just" really liking the aesthetic...

I really really hope a newspaper (not the DM) picks up on this thread as evidence of how in 2018 white people are still dictating to people of colour what they can or can’t be offended by/how they should or shouldn’t feel. It’s actually disgusting.

I’m white. Do I feel I’m responsible for what my ancestors have done? No. Does it make me want to be more sensitive and culturally aware of people who’ve been oppressed? Yes.

@tacolover previously you had told me you had embraced your culture. To say someone is lucky because they are white doesn’t tell me you have embraced your culture.
The the two things can happen simultaneously. I can love my culture. Bangladesh has a beautiful culture. But white people are lucky. Because the experiences I mentioned will never happen to them based on their skin colour. Nobody is ever going to call you a terrorist because you are white. Nobody is going to make generalisations about every white person based on your skin colour. Nobody is going to spit at you because you are white. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

@tacolover the only thing I can do is ensure my children don’t grow up like that. But it doesn’t help if people aren’t all willing to be on board.

@strongmummy it’s your posts which should be picked up. Reading your posts made me feel like humanity had taken a step backwards.

Been here since 2011. Usually recognise fuckery when I see it.

Oh and this isn’t a debate, that would involve an element of respect, integrity and intellect; all of which are seriously lacking here.

Taco, have you got the experience of a white person living within a predominantly Asian (in my case Bangladeshi) culture? Do you understand that the things you are describing can be directed at people because of their white skin too? Not disagreeing with you on your main points but it's a bit naive to suggest that none of those things happen to white people ever in the UK because they're white. Also, "white" as a term is going to work less and less as a category in the future. Not to take away from anything you've said, but just to make the point to say that we should be trying to combat assumptions where we find them and wherever they are directed.

Gilead thought you had reported. Please do. I have indeed been a mumsnetter since 2009 I just checked

Taco i directly quoted you words regarding a sari so you are contradicting yourself. You are clearly all over the place.

StrongMummy

Can I break this to you gently! The national press are not pouncing on every mumsnet thread. This one particularity has been unedifying I sgree.

Division and ridiculous allegations of racism thrown about by you, a white presumably middle class middle aged woman.

Finally and again I totally respect anyone’s right to be offended. That’s absolutely abyines choice. Certain comedians offend me.

However I don’t seek to control, censer, ban or belittle them. It’s my right to be offended and their right to offend.

That’s how it is as long as it’s within the law.

People can wear what they like without reference to anyone else or anyone’s culture, maybe you find that insensitive and that’s totally your right but that’s life thankfully In Britain.

Gilead

Mmmm so you are accusing me of lying about being s very old mumsnetter? Matters not I don’t care but you also called me disgusting and a racist

That’s your level of debate!!

Wtf?

And what’s fuckery please explain that’s another insult isn’t it? I sssumed you were very young! You sound it. I remember not understanding debate but maybe you should stick around aibu for a few more years. You will learn

@ohmy - maybe the Handsworth Gazette will pick up the story 😏

I think we’re agreeing that I have every right to think cultural appropriation is offensive. Oh good.

And have come to the conclusion that in the eyes of the law racism can come from any race. Phew

Taco i directly quoted you words regarding a sari so you are contradicting yourself. You are clearly all over the place.
What on earth are you on about? I'm not contradicting myself at all. I never described the Bengali dress as a sari because it isn't a sari. OP called it that. Please clarify as it seems you are being deliberately vague to avoid responding to my points. How am I all over the place? I have responded to your posts eloquently and with patience. You're the one who said I don't know what racism is

strongMummy

There is no Handsworth gazette petal there is the Birmingham gazette. Is that what you meant? You really need to do more research? I suspect you are London based?

You have every right to think anything. No one said you hadn’t did they?

Is that geographic appropriation?

Taco

I wouldnt describe you as eloquent anymore than I would describe myself that way.

@ohmy, I was being facetious, it went over your head