Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

I generally tend not to listen to people who think they are above the law.
I do not for one second think I am above the law. I do think I know a bit more than you about it though.

Yeah, it looked suspicious initially so I apologise.

Still, reverse racism is not a "thing" its racism, and cultural appropriation has definitive aspects, but when it gets onto people wearing hair styles or dresses it is becoming the ridiculous end of identity politics and why there is some justified backlash

i clearly said I would ask the woman what it is actually called and where it is from before wearing it

That’s it right there!!! It’s a piece of cloth like jeans or a top not a sacred bloody artififact.

Honestly I don’t mean to be rude but do you research every bloody thing you wear?

I am 50 I have worn midi/maxi/mini/two tone/wedges/stilletoes/vintage/grease revival 50s in 1980/ petticoat peeping dresses/leather!!! Etc.

Hair I have had straight/perms/ pixie crop/red/blond/black/brown/braided/

Seriously get a bloody grip

I agree Disco. I have shared an experience of where somebody has taken my culture and disrespected it. I call this cultural appropriation.

Throughout this thread white people have constantly told me what I can and can't be offended by. The OP even at one point said that we have to not be angry at people calling us names to stop racism!

There's no way on earth anyone would tolerate a man coming on here and telling a woman that they can't be offended by something a man has done to them. Yet on this thread people have called our legitimate concerns bullshit, nonsense, self identity politics, bullocks, etc. And that's white feminism for you.

Disco

So white prople don’t have a culture?

@gilead hmmmm it seems so 🤔

That’s it right there!!! It’s a piece of cloth like jeans or a top not a sacred bloody artififact.
You don't get how a white woman generalising every south Asian piece of clothing to be Indian would be offensive? Because that is quite clearly racist.

@tacolover the same way you’ve been telling everybody else what they should think.

Ps. Don’t misinterpret what I’ve said. I never said don’t be angry at a comment. I said don’t hold the resentment.

Of course you can be offended! Anyone can! But your offended cannot then turn to coercing or trying to control other women.

Or helping to vilify other women. Usually younger women via twitter etc. It’s nasty and divisive

It’s a dangerous game. Stop it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here we have POC telling a white person that they don't like CA and the white person is saying the POC are wrong.

No, we have POC also telling people that some aspects of cultural appropriation is ridiculous, we cannot have a multi cultural society whilst also putting people in strict categories.

Once we add the slippery slope of "privilege" into the mix then the situation will progressively worse, as we are not the US and inevitably the biggest divider in the UK is class..

That is disregarding the shit show that was starting to bubble up about "reverse racism" not being true racism

Gee, one case Justanother. One fucking case.
Stephen Lawrence - took 20 years to sort out.
Rolan Adams.
So many others.
deaths by ethnic appearance of victim

Because of this nobody is telling you that your culture is inappropriate and that you need to integrate more into society while taking parts of your own culture and using it disrespectfully

How is Kym K wearing braids using black culture disrespectfully? How is any non-black woman wearing braids using black culture disrespectfully? It's hairstyle, ffs.

I agree it is wrong that minorities are told they need to leave behind their own culture to integrate what I don't understand is what that has to do with white woman braiding her hair or an American girl wearing a Chinese dress to prom?

To me, it's just breeding more hatred and resentment and convoluting the very important issue of ingrained racism.

And for the person who asked way back up the thread, I have no idea where my Chinese colleague's mother lives. We're not that close but my colleague is a British citizen so I assume her mother raised her in the UK.

You don't get how a white woman generalising every south Asian piece of clothing to be Indian would be offensive? Because that is quite clearly racist.

That is because of Asian being a broad brush descriptor in the UK, not a racism angle.

*Disco

So white prople don’t have a culture?*

Where did I say that?

Of course white people have a culture, but in modern day Britain are we looked down on or discriminated against for having say a celtic tattoo, wearing tartan, tweed?

Would you care if POC copied white culture, no, are POC telling you they're upset by you taking aspects of their culture, yes. So respect that.

Taco

Honestly really love not knowing which peice of clothing is south Asian or Indian isn’t racist.

You sound incredibly young. I have lived all my life in probably a far more multicultural area then you being Handsworth and no one repeat none would see that as racist.

Seriously you don’t really understand the term racist Do you?

If I continue to hold anger towards white English people who have called me names etc then I’m just encouraging the problem.
This is what you posted OP. You are literally saying that if you are angry at people who have called you names then you are encouraging the problem. What the fuck? If I hold anger at a white man who calls me a terrorist because I am brown then does that mean I am encouraging racism?

"Of course you can be offended! Anyone can! But your offended cannot then turn to coercing or trying to control other women.
Or helping to vilify other women. Usually younger women via twitter etc. It’s nasty and divisive"

In what way did I do this? I asked the woman to find out where this clothing is actually from instead of just assuming that it is Indian because she's seen a brown person wear it. Taking 5 seconds to ask the shop owner where it's from doesn't take much effort. Generalising more than a billion south Asians is quite ignorant and divisive, no?

That is because of Asian being a broad brush descriptor in the UK, not a racism angle.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Using Indian and a broad brush descriptor for South Asian countries is not acceptable if that's what you mean. Finding out the country it's from isn't hard. You wouldn't get a dress that you think looks 'oriental' but just say it's Chinese because you dont know the actual country would you?

Actually that’s made me very angry now. You are missapropriating the term racist. I can’t be added to engage with you. Grow up and educate yourself

@tacolover I said ‘hold, as in holding resentment. I meant you can be angry in the moment but let it go, don’t hold it as a grudge against a particular race.

Jesus, Ohmydays you are disgusting. You are the person in need of an education, you have no damn clue and you continue to deny the lived experience of others. You're angry. Big fucking deal. Pull yourself together.

Disco

Pro lifers tell me I should support their right to harass women outside abortion clinics. I don’t agree so should I respect their right to do so because they tell me it’s their belief.

Just because anyone iof any colour race religion is offended that doesn’t mean we should pander to that?

Do you pander to the ultra right groups? Of course not.

Do you support the Paris terrorists who killed journalists because they were ‘offended’ by a satirical magazine??

I have too many suspicions about this thread now. I've reported.

Gilead

Nice. Showing your true colours there. I quoted jo Cox and you call that disgusting.

Wow just wow. I won’t stoop to your divisive and nasty level though.

Er been a mumsnetter since 2008!!! Don’t think they will care pet. What we you suspicious about? Dissent?

Grow up

It's got nothing to do with your Jo Cox quote and you know it.

Londonerlove

So funny the way to stop a different point of view.

1... strop

2.. I am telling on you