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Cultural appropriation

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Londonerlove · 23/06/2018 17:32

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 20:27

@honkers that is very sad about your daughter.
I have to retract/alter my post that @honkers quoted. You’re right it does happen. I just thought of an incident I witnessed. It happens the other way round too, like Kim K. Shouldn’t that be the point though. Stop judging each other.

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NotACleverName · 25/06/2018 20:32

I have a black friend who relaxes her hair... what about that... is that 'allowed' the world has gone crazy

A white woman with dreads is in no way comparable to a black woman relaxing her hair.

Also as I said before a good friend had dreads and she was always praised and complimented. They were beautiful.

I doubt it, as white people just do not have the right hair texture to pull off dreads and white people who have them look like they've got dried out dog turds sticking out of their head.

Bumpitybumper · 25/06/2018 20:36

I doubt it, as white people just do not have the right hair texture to pull off dreads and white people who have them look like they've got dried out dog turds sticking out of their head.
On a thread where lots of posters have gone to great lengths to explain that white people just don't get the same hate about their hair as black people and you post this gem. Do you not see the irony? White people just don't have the "right" kind of hair... Ok Hmm

Gilead · 25/06/2018 20:38

So, starting a new thread provides your empirical evidence. Only there have been NO prosecutions for reverse racism. Hmm

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 20:39

@notaclevername my friend isn’t white.

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honkersbonkers · 25/06/2018 20:40

@Londonerlove I am from a very diverse part of London too, it still happens.

What do your black friends think of cultural appropriation? Do they think we should forgive all the problems of the past and just 'move on'?

I'm not talking about Kim's plaits, she is what she is and her daughter asked her to do it, but the wider issues being discussed?

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 20:41

@gilead all I know is that it restored a little faith in humanity for me. I generally tend not to listen to people who think they are above the law.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 20:42

@honkers who is there to forgive? Who are you blaming?

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Ohmydayslove · 25/06/2018 20:43

have any of you ever spoken to a black person about this Wink

Oh dear sweetheart I live in handsworth, you may have heard if it? I have numerous black and Asian friends, polish, Rumanian. The difference may be they are all my age so 40/50 plus. They would laugh their socks off at this thread.

However maybe their teenage kids have swallowed this crap as teenagers seem to support self ID etc because middle aged white folk with good intentions tell them
So.

I think there are some posters her who mean well and think they have a point and that’s fine. But it’s a point of view not widely held amongst any community.

Most people are too busy getting on with their lives. And in my experience of where I live which is a teeming microcosm of multicultural like no one gives a rats ass and with the terrorist threat now so present most people want to make links and form friends not divide.

If you are interested PM me and come visit for yourself. You would be most welcome.

NotACleverName · 25/06/2018 20:53

Fair enough, Londonerlove.

On a thread where lots of posters have gone to great lengths to explain that white people just don't get the same hate about their hair as black people and you post this gem. Do you not see the irony? White people just don't have the "right" kind of hair... Ok

Hair types are literally a thing but go off, I guess.

Ohmydayslove · 25/06/2018 20:59

See that to me is it right there!

Bitching about another woman’s hair!! Bitching about another woman’s clothes be she black, white, Asian, Chinese.

Stop it just stop it. It’s a whole new way to bitch about other women under the guise of this ridiculous phrase cultural misappropriation.

Grow the fuck up

Justanotherlurker · 25/06/2018 21:02

Using the term "reverse racism" unironically ....

www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/dec/20/race.world

Ohmydayslove · 25/06/2018 21:09

Indeed bastards in any race culture and country.

Better for us to unite than divide aye?

Copying a ‘culture’ is better than destroying it.

Stop seeing the negatives and maybe you will see the positives

TacoLover · 25/06/2018 21:09

ohmydayslove would you kindly take the time to respond to the lengthy post I wrote responding to one of your comments? Thank you xx

TacoLover · 25/06/2018 21:14

*@tacolover you are essentially saying it’s inappropriate for a white woman to wear a sari. Why? *
Did you... did you even read my post? Are you being deliberately obtuse? Read my post again and tell me how I said that it's inappropriate for a white woman to wear a sari(also noticed how you made another generalisation there; I said Bangladeshi dress, you assumed sari which is not the case at all, you proved my point there) I clearly said that I asked the woman to find out what it is actually called and where it is from before wearing it to have respect for that culture. I never said she couldn't wear it. And from your response it seems you think it's fine for a white woman to take part of a culture from an oppressed minority and tell everyone it's from a different country, call it exotic, vintage...Hmm

Justanotherlurker · 25/06/2018 21:16

*Indeed bastards in any race culture and country.

Better for us to unite than divide aye?

Copying a ‘culture’ is better than destroying it. *

Yup, everyone throughout history has copied cultural aspects, some things are more sensitive, true, but when you get talking about things like straight hair on WOC or dreads on white women it is becoming the extreme angle of identity politics.

The black lives matter protester and the skin head shouting at people from the other race are both inspired by their respective insecurities.

I've seen plenty of racism from Koreans to blacks in the US, or from Malaysians to Thais, Japanese to most of the rest of Asia. And a metric ton from various African groups to others. See how Somalis are viewed by some racists from other African nations.

This "reverse racism" crap is just that, in our globalised world people forget that whilst sympathising or speaking out for injustice in other countries is laudable, we shouldn't pretend that the history of race relations in the us is comparable to the uk.

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 21:19

@tacolover 🤦‍♀️

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TacoLover · 25/06/2018 21:19

my point being is that I don’t agree. I have very limited time in my life and I’m not spending it getting offended by non issues.
Obviously it's not an issue for you and obviously you're not going to be offended... Because you're white! And nobody is taking parts of your culture and using it in a disrespectful way! GodGrinGrin

TacoLover · 25/06/2018 21:21

@tacolover 🤦‍♀️
Nicely informed, mature and coherent response. Thank you.

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 21:23

@tacolover I would never tell anyone ‘it’s because your black’ it’s so rude.

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TacoLover · 25/06/2018 21:27

@tacolover I would never tell anyone ‘it’s because your black’ it’s so rude.
But it's the literal reason that you're not offended by any of this. You are white. Because of this nobody is telling you that your culture is inappropriate and that you need to integrate more into society while taking parts of your own culture and using it disrespectfully. That's is the reason that you're not offended, because nobody has felt the need to offend you in this way. Care to answer any of the posts I've made in response to you in something that isn't emojis?

DistanceCall · 25/06/2018 21:27

The very notion of cultural appropriation is ridiculous. Cultures are promiscuous: they mix, they mingle, they evolve. That's how humankind has advanced.

Justanotherlurker · 25/06/2018 21:32

TacoLover Mon 25-Jun-18 21:19:45
*@tacolover 🤦‍♀️ *
Nicely informed, mature and coherent response. Thank you.

Did you forget to change username with that response, considering your replying to yourself?

TacoLover · 25/06/2018 21:37

What are you on about? I just quoted the whole post so that it didn't look like the emoji was part of my own post. And I just suggested that the response wasn't mature or coherent as I have spent a lot of time replying to this person who seems to not be arsed to give a proper replyConfused

Disco2018 · 25/06/2018 21:39

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here we have POC telling a white person that they don't like CA and the white person is saying the POC are wrong.

Is this not on the same level as men coming on here to tell us we're womaning wrong?

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