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...to remind people about today's march against Brexit

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twofingerstoEverything · 23/06/2018 09:16

...starting at 12 o clock from Pall Mall.

(Piccadilly, Green Park and Charing Cross station are the nearest tubes.)

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bellinisurge · 23/06/2018 21:06

I think many negative things about Brexiteers and other nationalist types in other countries. Don't see them as Nazis. Although I do have plenty of other pejorative terms for them. Not sure how far it gets me thinking these pejorative terms.

54321go · 23/06/2018 21:08

@Kalapattar
Shape of veg is not EU, some supermarkets maybe as they want to sell 'perfect' veg. Selling 'misshapes' was relaxed a while ago as so much was being wasted.
The people that will lose their jobs can pick fruit and veg.
Dividend, as you say on the face of it not a lot in it although you will lose out on services that were shared, so having to duplicate will increase prices a bit.
Taxes to people will go up, already suggestions of 4 percent to fund the NHS 'Brexit dividend'. Bit like giving a friend a present and handing them the invoice for them to pay.

kalapattar · 23/06/2018 21:11

Bit like giving a friend a present and handing them the invoice for them to pay

Theresa May has certainly tried not to answer the question about how much taxes will go up to pay for it.

Especially when tax revenue goes down and public spending has to go up.

54321go · 23/06/2018 21:14

On a weird 'scale' Nazis are 'better' than ISIS, Boku Haram etc.
You can at least negotiate with them.

54321go · 23/06/2018 21:17

On 'Any Questions' last night two figures were given by people who have at least some knowledge of the subject and although on opposite 'sides' roughly agreed on around 2.5 to 4 percent, depending on how much the NHS might actually get.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 23/06/2018 21:19

All this talk of nazis

If I recall my history correctly it was the nazis who initially manipulated democratic processes in order to get what they wanted

Doubt they would have respected a ‘wrong’ national vote either

kalapattar · 23/06/2018 21:23

If I recall my history correctly it was the nazis who initially manipulated democratic processes in order to get what they wanted

Didn't the Nazis get elected into power ? Then they consolidated power and used the media to attack the judges and the democratic process such as their Parliament?

Good thing we haven't seen the media here attack the democratic process, attack MPs who happen to want Parliament to have a say and attacked the second chamber....

Hang on a sec....Yes we have.

mummmy2017 · 23/06/2018 21:25

Why can those who voted remain, Not see if they had put just a bit more effort in before the voted to point out all the things they now shout about That they claim were so obvious they could have swung the vote.
A classic case of apathy on their part... and now after the Brexit horse has bolted they are trying to shut the stable door.

kalapattar · 23/06/2018 21:30

Not see if they had put just a bit more effort in before the voted to point out all the things they now shout about

That was pointed out. It was dismissed as Project Fear. Despite everyone talking about borders, Customs Union etc, it was dismissed.

Because "We will take back control". No actual discussion of what taking back control looked like.

I think that immigration was a massive factor. Well, that's certainly not going to be a problem now. It's just going to bring a shed load of other problems.

But hey, we won't have as much immigration so it will all be worth it Hmm

54321go · 23/06/2018 21:34

As I have just said on another thread, who needs reality when there are flashing lights and soundbites.
Just 'staying in' the EU was not exciting enough and too many were content to not think through consequences, even the Government hadn't thought about the NI border.
The 'carrot' of more money for the NHS was just shameless crap, if the gov WANTED to put money in they could have at any time.

54321go · 23/06/2018 21:35

Taking back control, we never lost it in the first place, same as sovereignty.

lljkk · 23/06/2018 21:43

This situation feels more out of our control than ever.

bellinisurge · 23/06/2018 21:44

Just a historical side note @54321go - you can't negotiate with Nazis. Which is one of the many reasons that these jokers aren't Nazis. They are many other things, none of them good.

Mummyrowland · 23/06/2018 21:45

Really hope you all were proud of the huge wage bill for policing this today and the fact that people were drafted in instead of being with families. Move your spent on policing this rally and protest now needs to be found from somewhere!

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 23/06/2018 21:49

The money spent on policing today is a tiny fraction of what the country will lose after Brexit.

So, if Brexit can be stopped, then that's money saved.

Mummyrowland · 23/06/2018 21:51

Brexit is happening so why waste time and money???

And totally different budgets.

What you did today was create massive headaches fir innocent people caught up in it, create a terrorist risk and stretch and already stretched police forces thin financially and resources

HateIsNotGood · 23/06/2018 21:51

Did you all have a good time? I like a good old London March myself - and it's one of the good UK things we have - the right to March. Been on a few myself since the 70s, I don't think that any of them came to anything in reality eg: - cannabis didn't become legal (Smokey Bear's Picnic); the BNP still exists (Anti-Nazi League); hunting with hounds was banned (Countryside March) and Tony Blair still insisted on bombing Iraq (Peace Marches).

But I'm still glad I went and Marched.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 23/06/2018 21:53

Yes, we did.

Loved the little Jack Russel barking with the music.

bellinisurge · 23/06/2018 21:57

@Mummyrowland - I'm guessing you don't really think that marchers are not innocent too.
As for the police requirement, you could say the One Love Manchester concert wasn't necessary. God bless the dancing policeman on that day.
It's a democracy. People are free to organise demonstrations even if you disagree with them.

lavenderbongo · 23/06/2018 21:57

Please stop Brexit.
People based their vote on lies and prejudice. I do not understand how people can still want to leave Europe when you can see the disasterous consequences it is going to have for the UK.
My DH and I lived and worked in Europe. DH worked in the European Parliament. I wanted the same opportunities for my kids. It’s a disaster that this has been ripped away from young people.
We live abroad now (got citizenship here as soon as the Brexit vote was announced). It’s fascinating how the press here report on Brexit and the coming confusion they face when trying to understand why people voted to leave.

mozzybites · 23/06/2018 22:00

Stretched police forces are only likely to get more stretched post Brexit. It may well be futile to march but at least it makes it clear that not everyone is in favour of this nonsense and there hasn't been much listening to people who don't want a red, white and blue Brexit.

HateIsNotGood · 23/06/2018 22:01

I have a little Jack Russel that barks at 'things' - some real and some imaginary - sometimes I'd bloody like to March away from her that's certain, but unfortunately she's way too cute and savvy for me to do that.

She will make a good Marcher I'm sure; DS was good for the Peace ones but then he was only 1 and strapped in a pushchair so couldn't really object to going.

Still - you made the news today and had your say and that is a good thing.

kalapattar · 23/06/2018 22:14

Really hope you all were proud of the huge wage bill for policing this today and the fact that people were drafted in instead of being with familie

You do agree that in a democratic society, people have the right to protest and to disagree?

Even people who you disagree with have the right to have their voice heard.

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twofingerstoEverything · 23/06/2018 22:21

MummyRowland Oh, do give over. There are frequent large marches in London - many of them far from good-natured, such as the Free Tommy Robinson one earlier this month, at which several arrests were made and yet another Tommy Robinson-related one a matter of weeks before. In the past few months there have been marches against capitalism, in support of the NHS, against austerity etc etc. Why would anyone seek to silence people and prevent them exercising their democratic right to protest?
Protest marches have been going for a long time (you've heard of the suffragettes I suppose?) so I'm fairly sure the cost of policing them is factored into police budgets. Ask yourself what the alternative is to a country where free protest is allowed.

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mummmy2017 · 23/06/2018 22:22

People today seem to feel their views are of paramount importance that they should be for filled like a spoilt child...
It doesn't matter how small the margin was the government took the vote result and went with it.
Move forward and make your voice count at the next election, that is how your going to change things, right now no matter if you march the length of the UK your protest will have no effect..