To think asking EU nationals to pay £65 pounds is disgusting

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They moved here without these rules and all the money will go on is just continuing as they are.

It's just asking for money to be them! Not on at all!

I honestly think it is naive of anyone to think that a) rules will never change or b) that a country other than where you were born will be 'free' to you.

Even a system that welcomed anyone and everyone needs administering and so if there was zero charge for migrants, then it would be the existing citizens who would pay. I think that is much less fair.

I think the biggest reason for Brexit has been the development of a mentality that takes the most idealsitic liberal and wonderfuly postitive view of everything and combines it with the ridiculous idea that there are no downsides or actual real costs to this way of thinking.

Nothing is free, anywhere. There is no such thing as the government paying; it is the tax payer and/or the poor or vulnerable that pay for it from increased taxes or from cuts when existing revenue is redeployed. That is FACT.

Being nice is fantastic but it in reality it costs money and/or resources and it is crazy to think otherwise.

We moved to spain and we had to pay to register, pay to do the paperwork - what is everyones problem.

Yes but if you have spent all your adult life in a country that is not the one you were born in and have laid taxes the whole time you are effectively contributing as much as a native citizen.
You're not having a 'free ride', you're paying your way just like any other adult.

I believe encouraging UK production of goods is more sustainable than regulated trade with out closest neighbours; and I believe we should discourage cheap trade.

@GardenGeek - The whole economic case for Brexit is that the UK will not be bound by EU rules and will instead follow 'cheap trade' policies to source goods from wherever is cheapest. E.g. oranges from Florida, South Africa or Israel instead of from Spain. Clearly the UK cannot grow oranges but the same applies to industrial products. It is Minford's (discredited) theory that says that if it is cheaper to import stuff from China or India than it is to make it in the UK then this is 'better'. The theory would then have that the UK focusses on areas like financial services, insurance etc. Great in theory, but these sectors don't employ many people and what are the millions of unemployed going to do? If you voted for Brexit because you wanted to support UK production then I suggest that you have not understood the issues.

Yes I believe large swathes of leavers want fair and equal immigration.

There is fair and equal immigration between the UK and the EU. A UK citizen is currently free to seek work in Carlisle, Coventry, Cologne or Copenhagen - as is anyone from the EU. About 3m citizens from other EU countries live and work in the UK. About 2m UK citizens live or work elsewhere in the EU.

There is fair and equal immigration between the UK and the EU. A UK citizen is currently free to seek work in Carlisle, Coventry, Cologne or Copenhagen

Maybe so, but if you're doing it in Copenhagen you already have to pay a similar charge. The bureaucratic Danes are enormously fond of paper-work.

Right can we all just agree that migrants are like all people in the sense that some are hard working tax contributors and others are cash in hand, non tax paying, benefit scroungers. The idea that every one is a model citizen and we should pay for them to indefinitely stay is as ludicrous as those implying they all need to go home

Leavers are speaking all over social media and there are also leaver MPs who are speaking with the press. I just can't see that leavers are not comfortable speaking about brexit. You can't blame remainers for the fact that the UK government are struggling with brexit. There are some things that can be negotiated and others will be what they are, due to the rules written in A50 etc.

I have still not seen any real structured discussion what Brexit is and what the achievable benefits of leave are.
My point being that a vote was had and one bunch (leavers) 'won'.
Please can anyone explain WHAT they have won.
Is it deportation of people they don't like, a source of really cheap goods that no one else in the world has found, free cannabis or a cuddly toy, what is it?

Blue Badges for disabled people cost £10 every 2-3 years.

You need to pay for passport photos to get your disabled bus pass.

Life costs money. I wish it didn't.

£ 150 for an English Test to prove you speak English on a B1 level and it has to be the Home Office approved test, doesn't matter if you have a certificate to prove you speak English on a near native level - Computer says No

That's ridiculous. My Danish chiropractor speaks better English than me!

My Italian friend who did her A-levels here, and then did a degree (Modern Languages) at uni in London, and is qualified to teach English up to A-level, must be livid. After nearly 40 years of teaching English in English schools I'd be livid too.

I’ve had a really insightful PM from a leave voter which helped me understand their POV. Although politically we are very different, it was nice to have a conversation without insults or recriminations.

Also interesting to hear why a leave voter voted leave, I don’t actually know any leave voters in RL so have never been able to ask.

And as a Scottish Indy yes voter I can empathise with knee jerk assumptions, random and horrible insults and nastiness being aimed at leave voters because of the press or widely held opinions without research.

Leavers sadly haven't been made comfortable to speak about the brexit they wanted, so we dont have a balanced brexit. We have shit brexit.

Brexiters and the Brexit-supporting media have been very comfortable speaking about what they want - any, or all of the following: No freedom of movement, no payment to the EU, no rules from Brussels, no European Court - while at the same time all the benefits of free and frictionless trade, Galileo, Open skies and the other 750 treaties that the EU has with the rest of the world etc.

..the shit bits of brexit being more the fault of remainers than leavers IMO. Leavers didnt and dont want a shit version -

Nice try, but no. Leavers voted for Brexit, having being told by Remainers that there was no good version, only a shit version, or at least shit consequences. This was trivialised by Brexiters as 'Project Fear'. Brexiters voted for it - they alone own it.

but now there is no leave voice - except the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Fox, Bone, Gove, May etc.

Remainers are looking for this to be a shit, racist, stupid & failed endeavour.

There is a clue in the word 'Remainer' Remainers want to remain. They certainly don't want a shit Brexit.

LakieLady it seems absurd on a personal level in your examples, but there are actual real examples of people who speak little to no English, get trafficked or traffic other people, fake their certificates or get others to pay for fake certificates etc etc.

The rules aim to smooth out these personal factors - like the NHS paying for medical care for smokers, adrenalin junkies who fall of motorbikes and horses etc, and ill-through-no-fault-of-their-own-people, all on a level playing field.

That's ridiculous. My Danish chiropractor speaks better English than me!

So you've never met an immigrant that doesn't speak English?

Believe me, they exist - why do you think most Public Services have on-call translators??

@sodding
Any chance you could put up a couple of examples of 'leave' reasons that are achievable please?
I haven't seen anything that is achievable except stuff that wasn't actually EU related. If you remove immigration and Sovereignty and the £350Million stunt, what else do Leavers want?

My children will have to pay - they are EU nationals, not UK nationals. They were born here...

I absolutely think that the NHS charge is an absurdity. If you are working here and paying the same taxes as a UK national, you should have the same entitlements. It might be wise to have a qualifying period for this, but forcing an immigrant family to pay the NHS charge indefinitely is just rampant xenophobia.
I'd just also like to say how bloody fed up I am with people differentiating between 'immigrants' and 'taxpayers'. Heard of set theory, anyone?

@54321go it wasn’t that kind of message, just explained their own personal reasons for voting leave iyswim.

Also I’d feel wrong sharing parts of a PM without the consent of the person who sent it.

I'm a pretty fervent Remainer but given that Brexit is happening, can't get worked up about a £65 fee. Brexit is going to cost UK citizens abroad (and at home!) a lot more than this, should we also foot the admin bill for EU nationals who are getting rights to remain that our own citizens abroad will not gave?
And harsh as this is, if you can't afford £65 for a right to remain then you're likely in enough financial hardship that you'll likely end up costing the country a fair bit in services etc

My Italian friend who did her A-levels here, and then did a degree (Modern Languages) at uni in London, and is qualified to teach English up to A-level, must be livid.

She would need a B1 cert., her degree certificate will do nicely.