To think asking EU nationals to pay £65 pounds is disgusting

[Ninmpy]

They moved here without these rules and all the money will go on is just continuing as they are.

It's just asking for money to be them! Not on at all!

Wait until EU countries retaliate for UK citizens wanting to live or work in the EU.

Not a big issue is it. If they want to stay here great, pay the fee, if not they won't be able to. A visa to go on holiday can cost a lot more than that!

Actually, I don't agree at all with the way in which the goalposts have moved for non EU nationals either. However, this isn't about them, and I think it's a supremely unhelpful response to say "Other people have it worse so what's the fuss" about any topic. Because you can always point to someone who has it worse, so if we all did that then the government would get away with even more while we were busy suspiciously eyeing each other up to see who has got one over on us by having a supposed easier ride, when actually it's the government who has got one over on everyone. If you think you have it tough + and I agree that non EU nationals do - it doesn't help anyone including you to disregard or tacitly approve of someone else being disadvantaged also, albeit to a lesser extent.

If someone hasn't got £65 to pay and they moved for economic migration reasons I'd suggest their move hasn't been successful, also if they haven't got the money they won't be contributing much to the country which is what immigration should be based on like most other places in the world, the ability to contribute to the country you're seeking to move to.

The fee has already been in place for over a decade (and probably even longer, that's just when I started working in immigration) for the current residency documents. The only difference now is at some point this document will be mandatory. The reason the figure is £65 is that under European law you cannot charge more than you would charge for a passport.

UK citizens moving to Europe have already had to deal with similar bureaucratic issues for years. Many EU countries have required British citizens to register as soon as they move there, so what we are doing is nothing terrible or outrageous.

It doesn't even give a permanent right to stay - it just means that if you pay for five years you can then apply for that. It massively reduces people's rights, and I think it behoves all of us to be careful about anything that reduces people's rights.

Oh god this is SO depressing.

EU nationals and non eu nationals arevtwi different categories. You can’t compare them and say ‘well as non EU National I paid xxx so why dint they?’ Well that would be becaus the Uk is part of the EU...

The ‘well it’s the same price than a passport so what?’ Brigade.
You dint realise that some people do have have a passport because they can’t afford it. What will happen to the EU National that can’t afford the cost of a passport??

And the old chestnut ‘they used the NHS for FREEEEE’.
For one so do the Brits living in Europe at the moment.
And then EU citizens pay their taxes just like Brits. And therefore have access to the same services. Or should they be paying not get anything at all maybe?
And that’s of course wonthe fact that there is absolutely no relation between the two issues.

OP as an ‘immigrants’ I think it’s wrong for lots of reasons

• there will be a lot of people to register. The U.K. doesnt have a great history in putting that sort of system in place wo hiccups. I suspect they won’t be able to handle it (they are struggling with the PR stuff already. Loosing documents etc... for example and telling people its their fault and they need to pay again blabla)
• some people will struggle with the system. The ones who won’t know, the ones who won’t have the money, the ones who wont be able to prove xxx (eg SAHM, caters, young adults etc etc). They expect that at least 10% of people will go through the net. That’s 300 000 people whose life will be potential destroyed.
• seeing how incompetent the government has been with the Windruah scandal, I dont trust them to be better with EU citizens. So any barrier, such as the price of the Settled status registration, is a problem for me.

SO you are Ok with Non-EU nationals paying thousands of pounds for their visas? Why are EU nationals so special? Because of their race

Because of their citizenship, yes. Their race is irrelevant.

And yes, non-EU nationals should pay for visas. If you want something from the UK, you can give something back. I would however support something like a staged refund so if you pay a certain amount of tax over say 5 years you get a refund of the visa fee.

The reason the figure is £65 is that under European law you cannot charge more than you would charge for a passport

Oh heck watch them increase the passport fees by miles then! I actually thought a passport did cost more than £65 these days.

YABU- it is a very low fee.

We had to pay thousands for me to come here, so I think they should consider themselves VERY lucky!!!

AND it only costs the UK government about £250 to process the kind of visa I came in on. Yet there's zero outrage over them clearly profiting A LOT over families being allowed to be together or not (if application is rejected), when they aren't from the EU.

Obviously I'm still pretty fucked off about especially since we'll have to pay another £4,000-£5,000 before I get ILR.

UK citizens moving to Europe have already had to deal with similar bureaucratic issues for years. Many EU countries have required British citizens to register as soon as they move there, so what we are doing is nothing terrible or outrageous.

That’s wrong.
You might need to prove that you are staying in a country in a legal way or that you have the right to access healthcare etc.. but you do not have to ‘register’ or get PR to live in another EU country.

@RiskIt4Biscuit
You must be kidding. How a person who came here 10 years ago on a work permit could be aware about the future government decision to increase the ILR fees for her family from £129 (in 2007) to £2,297 (in 2017)? Or to introduce suddenly a settlement salary threshold of £35K, although nothing like that was in force when they were recruited.

An example on the Dutch immigration website:

Are you planning to stay in the Netherlands for more than 4 months? You have to register in the Municipal Personal Records Database (BRP) in the municipality where you are going to live.

To register with the municipality you need a legalised and translated birth certificate. Take this with you when you travel to the Netherlands.

I don't think you're understanding the point, @Poloshot. It's not about the cost per se, it's about the rules suddenly changing after we've been living here for years, and having to pay anything at all for something that used to be free when we had no say in the matter. I'd begrudge having to pay even if it cost £5 because why should I be out of pocket at all because someone else (multiple someones) has decided the UK should leave the EU? It wasn't my choice, so why should I have to pay?

Also agree that this will have implications for Brits abroad - who far outnumber EU nationals in the UK. Plus all those mardy UKIP pensioners on the Costa del Sol and similar won't be able to afford to stay there when they lose their pension reciprocity. So we'll end up swapping EU nationals of working age for UK citizens who are economically inactive.

ind.nl/en/eu-eea/Pages/EUEEA-or-Swiss-citizen.aspx

Link to the page about having to register if you live in the Netherlands.

I am not going to venture an opinion about Brexit one way or another.. but people need to understand that the UK are not doing anything outrageous in asking for this registration to take place. It happens in plenty of other EU countries too. And that's fine... such bureaucracy is a pain but it's a part of life.

If someone hasn't got £65 to pay and they moved for economic migration reasons I'd suggest their move hasn't been successful

Do you include people who are retired and have live de in this country for 40+ years and are now living in a state pension?
Are you including SAHM whose husband and children are british?
Are you including parents of disabled (British) children who only have a career allowance to live on?

Not everyone who moved to the U.K. did so for economical reason.
Between thenrime people arrived an dsettled in thenuk, circumstances changes. People get married, have dcs, get divorce, get ill. You can have someone who arrived, earned very good money butbthen 10 or 15 years down the line doesn’t.
Or has to stay because they have britsih children and have no other choice. Unless you are also advocating thatnchildren shouod be separated from one of their parents too.

That’s such a short sighted way of looking at things

Should be more ....

I always think it's such a shame for a dog to go to all the trouble of learning to talk only to spend its time spouting utter bollocks.

And that's fine... such bureaucracy is a pain but it's a part of life.

It certainly will be, thanks to the bureaucracy hating Brexiteers!

All that work, all the money put in, over 40 years, to make trade and movement smoother - gone in an instant! Wasted!

Lets hope Airbus are super keen on masses of extra bureaucracy and costs too.

They can always go home

Seems that all countries are looking to make money from this sort of thing, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised. I'm born British, but also have Canadian nationality. via my DM I don't go to Canada that often, but discovered last year that I now need a Canadian passport to visit. I discovered this AFTER having committed to non-refundable air fairs, hotels etc. It took 3 months to get and cost me £270. So £65 isn't so bad really.