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To think asking EU nationals to pay £65 pounds is disgusting

169 replies

Ninmpy · 22/06/2018 10:40

They moved here without these rules and all the money will go on is just continuing as they are.

It's just asking for money to be them! Not on at all!

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Helmetbymidnight · 22/06/2018 14:13

I believe encouraging UK production of goods is more sustainable than regulated trade with out closest neighbours; and I believe we should discourage cheap

And you thought Brexit was the best way to achieve that?

Funny.

SoddingUnicorns · 22/06/2018 14:14

Have the U.K. government laid out their plans for investing in U.K. industry? What they plan to implement to help industry to thrive?

PuddlesOfBud · 22/06/2018 14:17

I am a non eu national. Been here since I was a teenager, pay a lot of tax,NI etc.

I have to pay £1300 to be a citizen, I'd be ok with £65.

It isn't 65 pounds for citizinship...

jasjas1973 · 22/06/2018 14:17

So what happens to all the people who work and pay taxes here, who came here in the last 5 years?
are we going to deny a newish Spanish immigrant ward sister access to schooling, healthcare for her or her family?
what happens if there is no deal?
what happens if the transition period just goes on and on? which is what many in business say has to happen before a customs deal can be implemented.
what happens if the EU27 do not put into place a reciprocal arrangement for the UK citizens living in europe?

If i were an EU citizen, i d not be rushing in with my application, it may well turn out to be a complete waste of money.

GardenGeek · 22/06/2018 14:21

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Helmetbymidnight · 22/06/2018 14:21

Apparently the pesky EU was stopping Britain from investing in UK industry and was preventing Britain from allowing in immigrants from all over the world.

So once we Brexit - and after pesky foreign companies like Airbus, Nissan and Rolls Royce, have gone, we will see a great surge in production of UK goods apparently, (which we will export in an environmentally friendly way to China and Australia) and also a great surge of fair and equal immigration from all nations in the world.

Said no one. Ever.

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 22/06/2018 14:23

could I just say, that there is nowhere else in the EU where people can come and have serious opportunity to move on and up, start their own business, whatever, even if they don't speak the language that well.

SoddingUnicorns · 22/06/2018 14:23

@GardenGeek I think that was a reply to me? Thank you, I don’t want to row, I'm just interested as to why, because I don’t believe that everyone who voted leave is a racist or thick. I do believe that the referendum unfortunately gave a platform to people like that and I wish it hadn’t.

But that’s not the same as every leave voter being like them, because they’re not.

DaisyLand · 22/06/2018 14:25

@jasjas I believe that everyone that comes before March 19 has got the right to stay til it’s 5 years and then they can apply.

Op it’s the same price I paid a few years ago for the “permission to remain ” as an European citizen but it was much more difficult process than what they’re going to do. I won’t have to pay
As I’ve already paid for it. I’m sure British people will face a few as well if they want to stay in any European country. I read that they wanted to impose a visa for travelling on holiday to these countries tho I’ve not heard anything else

As some other people have said If £65 is everything I’ve to do to be able to continue living in this country with the same rights as any British then I’m more than happy to pay for them.

scaryteacher · 22/06/2018 14:28

If it's a one off then that's OK. I must have paid more than that for the ID card I am required to have in Belgium as an EU national, in fact, as all residents of Belgium are required to have, and we all pay for it, Belgian national or not.

DaisyLand · 22/06/2018 14:28

@snape I’ve not received anything from the home office. I knew nobody liked me Smile

sunshinewithabitofdrizzle · 22/06/2018 14:29

I'm an EU National. My family moved to the UK when I was a teenager and I've lived in the UK for 30 years next month. I don't have another "home" to go to, this is my home. I'm ok with £65 if it ensures I can spend the rest of my life living where "home" is for me.

LegoBitcho · 22/06/2018 14:30

That's an interesting point Garden. An Indian friend voted leave as he believed it would be easier to get visas for non EU immigrants. I am a non EU immigrant myself and thought it was a very shit reason to vote leave but there you go.

'Looking out for all immigrants' my arse Hmm

keyboardkate · 22/06/2018 14:32

Anyone know if UK citizens currently living/working in EU will have reciprocal arrangements?

Snape · 22/06/2018 14:32

@DaisyLand I don't think it's personal Grin, Dh runs a small business with his friend who is from Denmark. He got in touch with the home office for more clarification a while ago and received the above response today.

DaisyLand · 22/06/2018 14:33

Someone was asking about Irish (sorry can’t remember who )

This is what the documents that @oftenhangry has put says

You will not need to apply if you’re an Irish citizen or have indefinite leave to remain, but your family members from outside the UK and Ireland will.

DaisyLand · 22/06/2018 14:33

@snape makes sense :)

scaryteacher · 22/06/2018 14:34

Not at present Keyboard. Depending on the 'deal', then I might change my ID card to one applied for by dh's employer, as we are here til December 19.

ankasi · 22/06/2018 14:36

It isn't 65 pounds for citizinship...

No it isn't.

Let's see:
£ 65 for the permanent residence card - now required to apply, not needed until a few years ago
£ 50 for the Life in the UK Test
£ 150 for an English Test to prove you speak English on a B1 level and it has to be the Home Office approved test, doesn't matter if you have a certificate to prove you speak English on a near native level - Computer says No I might be a just tad annoyed by that
£ 1300 for the Naturlisation
£ 80 for the Passport
Two recent passport pictures for the PR, four for the AN, another two for the passport
Various costs for document checking services if you can't send in your passport because you need it, cost depending on the local authority, postage etc.

Motheroffourdragons · 22/06/2018 14:45

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GerdaLovesLili · 22/06/2018 14:53

It's a small amount of money, it will hopefully be reciprocal so that UK citizens can do the same in their countries of choice if they choose to and in many EU countries a similar charge is already payable if you're a resident of another EU country and want to stay for more than 3 or 4 months. (Denmark for example).

It's a workable compromise, and someone has to pay for the administration necessary so that EU citizens can be recognized as valid UK residents.

54321go · 22/06/2018 14:53

As far as I know the existing 'rights' for UK citizens to live in the EU are not changing from as they are now. Some variation but I presume pretty similar.
I suppose if UK Gov pisses the EU off too much they will change it.

siwel123 · 22/06/2018 15:01

It's annoying but then they keep current rights and access to nhs and jobs etc.
And tbh for many the chance to do that is worth the £65 fee.

Hopefully UK nationals will get the same agreement.

MilkGoatee · 22/06/2018 15:08

@ConstanceVigilance
Everyone in NL has to register/is registered in the Burgerlijke Stand. It's not a rule that applies to EU-citizens and not to NL-citizens. That's not the same as this register.

DN4GeekinDerby · 22/06/2018 15:20

Surely non-EU nationals have been fully aware of the terms and costs of moving to the UK, including getting a visa and so on, even before they moved here.

It's not about the cost per se, it's about the rules suddenly changing after we've been living here for years, and having to pay anything at all for something that used to be free when we had no say in the matter.

The rules have changed on non-EU immigrants repeatedly, often with little if any warning and with even less say, and we have to pay to keep up. I've only by chance recently found out that, technically legally, I'm in the grey zone because I legally changed my name a few years ago and didn't 'update my personal details' on my visa (but did with HMRC and everyone else) because under the ILR system I immigrated under, that was not a thing, you could and were encouraged to carry around the original visa with the documents proving the name change like marriage certificates even when you updated your passport, you carried the old one with the visa. I only found out because I'm currently trying to apply for citizenship and was on their website looking up the fee changes on their website.

So now, after living in the UK for 15 years, I'm now having to pay out again for something that used to come with having a ILR visa which is somehow still 'safe' enough to use to leave and enter the country, but not 'safe' enough to prove my right to work, study, access to any public services including the NHS as it used to be.

The UK government openly stated that it runs the Visa and Immigration services as for-profit for years now. When I immigrated here, naturalization cost around £300 (around the actual cost of current cost of processing for the government which £375 according to freemovement.org.uk). It's now over a grand more expensive (it's gone up over £400 in just the last 5 years, the typical length one has to wait from starting the immigration process to even begin trying for citizenship), plus the cost of the test, plus the cost of biometrics, neither of which were a thing when I immigrated nor things I got a say in when they happened.

I would gladly jump at the chance to pay £65 rather than over £200 for a Biometric Resident Permit or well over a grand for citizenship. £65 probably isn't even going to cover the cost of the immigration lawyer I now feel a need for because I've been caught out by so many changes that I no longer trust myself to do these citizenship forms myself (and it doesn't cover the fees most councils charge just to photocopy documents and check the forms are filled in without any specialized advice).

Yeah, the changes for EU nationals suck and I doubt the UK government is any better planned on dealing with the influx or the database than they are for a lot of the rest of Brexit. I just find the way people are dismissing non-EU residents and the issues we're going through quite frustrating. Many of us, just like the EU nationals, did our best and played by the rules when we came over and have been shafted repeatedly and made to pay up repeatedly. We pay and then are repeatedly told to pay more or bugger off because being hard on immigrants is a sure vote winner as can be seen with this mess.

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