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Trump puts kids in cages because he wants his wall. How low can he go? The authoritarian shitshow continues ...

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Gumpendorf · 19/06/2018 19:29

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ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 19:09

Just heard Justice Kennedy retiring. Fuck.

lljkk · 27/06/2018 19:12

:(. Do we have an actual retirement date? 1 month? 1 day? 3 months?

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 19:16

ngest-serving member of the Supreme Court, is retiring.

'Justice Anthony Kennedy has, since at least 2005, been the swing vote on many of the Court’s most ideologically charged decisions, responsible for 5-4 rulings that legalized same-sex marriage, preserved Roe v. Wade, upheld warrantless wiretapping, blew up campaign finance restrictions, overturned DC’s handgun ban, and weakened the Voting Rights Act. That position has made him one of the most powerful people in America for well over a decade now, not even counting the 18 years he shared his position as the Court’s swing voter with Sandra Day O'Connor'
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/25/17461318/anthony-kennedy-retirement-supreme-court

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 19:19

If I recall correctly, today is the last day of Supreme Court session, so retirement is as of now. Need to check.

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 19:22

www.supremecourt.gov/about/procedures.aspx

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 19:27

31 July is the date.

lljkk · 27/06/2018 19:30

It took about 10 wks from Gorsuch nominated to being confirmed & sworn in.

As incompetent as Trump administration is, hard to imagine them not getting someone else sworn in before midterms.

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 19:41

www.nationalreview.com/news/anthony-kennedy-retiring-trump-second-scotus-pick/

This is bad, but the district, fed., courts are are already being packed apace with lifetime terms by T. appointees.

McConnell and the evangelicals will be crowing, all this, plus Merrick Garland's stolen SCOTUS seat, means the potential for a generation of an intensely conservative judiciary.

lljkk · 27/06/2018 19:59

Shortlist of likely nominees?

mackerella · 27/06/2018 20:41

That article about children as young as 3 having to appear alone in court is just ... words fail me ShockAngrySad

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 20:52

@kaitlancollins
Big news from the pool — Trump says he will pick Anthony Kennedy’s replacement from his existing list of 25 potential nominees. That’s the same list he used to pick Neil Gorsuch.
@kaitlancollins
Here’s the updated list the White House published last

www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-supreme-court-list/

mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1012040674529693696

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 20:56

Dan Diamond
@ddiamond
Reminder that 51 Senate Democrats voted to help confirm Justice Kennedy — a Reagan pick — in 1988, a presidential election year.

Twenty-eight years later, Senate GOP refused to consider Merrick Garland, citing new rule on election year votes.

mobile.twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1012057678334582784

ohmymimi · 27/06/2018 21:11

Schumer on Supreme Court pick:

MissMarplesKnitting · 27/06/2018 21:48

Hmm.
Watching a few who have been bang on about stuff....lots of hints something big us in the offing soon.

If you subscribe to John Schindler's @thespybrief apparently on there.

I don't. And I have FOMO.

Lweji · 27/06/2018 22:35

North Korea watch:

North Korea making 'rapid' upgrades to nuclear reactor despite summit pledges
"Monitoring group says work shows why a denuclearisation deal rather than a ‘statement of lofty goals’ is needed"

I'm SO shocked and surprised.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/27/north-korea-nuclear-reactor-upgrades-summit-pledges?CMP=fb_gu

kalapattar · 27/06/2018 22:41

Vice President Mike Pence
‏Verified account @VP

Thank you to Justice Anthony Kennedy for your long career of service on the SCOTUS. @POTUS Trump will nominate a strong conservative, in the tradition of the late Justice Scalia, who will uphold all the God-given liberties enshrined in the Constitution of the United States

NetofLemons · 27/06/2018 23:24

I still have that audio of those poor children’s crying stuck in my head. Those child abusing bastards. Unbearable what they are doing.

I’m really worried that the Trump-era (deliberately?) shit level of official record-keeping about these forced separations will mean that some families’ genetic data will be abused, which can affect multiple individuals from one individuals’ DNA test. after all these people have already been put through.
Whether or not the genetic tests will be actually used as a means to reunite the families who have been separated seems moot (and not all of the kids will have been travelling with their blood relatives anyhow).

This whole scandal Is constantly upping the stakes of many human rights and ethical norms can be violated. It’s appalling.

eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/06/23/using-dna-tests-reunite-immigrant-children-parents-poses-privacy-risk/727424002/

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/using-23andme-to-reunite-families-at-the-border-comes-with-serious-privacy-risks/

For a digested read: www.bionews.org.uk/page_136712

Two commercial genetic testing companies have offered to support efforts to reunite the 2300-plus children that have been separated from their parents at the US-Mexican border.

[...]

Jackie Speier, a Congress Representative for California, appealed for assistance from the private DNA testing company 23andMe, to help reunite these families as quickly as possible. In an interview with USA Today, Speier said: 'If you've got infants, they don't know their names, they don't know their parents' names. 23andMe tests would allow the Department of Justice to match people. Right now, there's no way to know who a parent or child is.'

Since Speier's plea, both 23andMe and another private genealogy company, MyHeritage, have pledged to help the reunification process by donating DNA) testing kits and their sequencing services to those affected by Trump's 'zero tolerance' immigration policy.

Genetic testing may seem like a quick and relatively easy way to pinpoint familial relationships, but it raises a number of legal and ethical issues.

First and foremost is the problem of serious privacy risks associated with generating and storing genetic information. Procedures would need to be put in place to ensure that this information is protected and not misused by the government or other third parties.

One solution would be for all genetic data to be destroyed once a parent-child match had been made. However, current regulations state that all genetic testing laboratories must store their results for ten years, to allow their procedures to be externally validated. As a result, genetic testing companies could potentially be forced to release their data to aid legal proceedings in the future. This in turn could place migrants and their relatives in a very vulnerable position.

Due to the highly personal nature of the data that would be obtained and the lack of assurance surrounding data control, it is of paramount importance that informed consent is gained from those undergoing genetic testing. However, the ability to establish consent in this situation is another thorny issue.

Minors are not able to give consent. For obvious reasons, it is not possible to obtain parental consent for them. Conversely, any adults that do consent to genetic testing are doing so in an environment of extreme stress where the long-term consequences of such testing may not be adequately considered or discussed.

As Marcy Darnovsky, executive director of the Center for Genetics and Society, recently told Mother Jones: 'Coming up with a solution for people who are already at risk in this country by handing over very private information seems very dangerous.'

The offers of services by 23andMe and MyHeritage may be well meant. But acting before carefully thinking through these complex ethical issues could lead to more problems for migrant families in the long term. As Darnovsky has suggested, a simpler and more low-tech intervention – like filing cards and a spreadsheet – could do the job of reuniting families just as well, without attempting to walk this blurry ethical line.’

NetofLemons · 27/06/2018 23:26

Apologies for the very long post, I am just so appalled by all this.

TheClaws · 27/06/2018 23:59

Ha Grin Lweji re: North Korea. Hoping he gets a reality check there. He needs one.

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