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Trump puts kids in cages because he wants his wall. How low can he go? The authoritarian shitshow continues ...

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Gumpendorf · 19/06/2018 19:29

previous thread

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3269815-The-slog-of-this-authoritarian-shitshow-is-grinding-us-all-down-My-inspiration-has-gone-into-hiding-with-Melania-Knock-yourselves-out-Trump-cont

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Gumpendorf · 21/06/2018 20:51

Annie I'm so sorry FlowersSmile

At the time, it was the only source I could find and I did try and screen print it but ... I won't do it again Wink

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PerkingFaintly · 21/06/2018 20:55

Ahh, the Pentagon development is predicted in ohmymimi's link above, of O'Donnell talking to Chris Hayes and the Flores Case lawyer, Peter Schey.

youtu.be/E6p2_OliDV4

It's in T's new executive order (IIRC). It gives HHS the power to place children in unlicensed premises. It also gave HHS the power ask the military to provide premises.

That's actually much worse than it sounds. Incredibly.

Because at the moment (details in that long clip), lawyers in the on-going Flores settlement are the only people in the US who can turn up and inspect premises where HHS has placed children, on demand. They can just turn up, any time, with no warning, and enter the premises.

But IIUC, once the children are on military property, that civil ruling will no longer apply. This isn't just a way to get detention centres erected quickly and staffed by soldiers. It's a way to take the children outside civilian law, and beyond the reach of oversight.

Gumpendorf · 21/06/2018 20:57

Meanwhile, a reminder that clothes are important in US politics at least when you're name is Obama

"This confirms he's a Marxist" Grin

BONUS: By popular demand, the story behind The One Suit to Trigger Them All. twitter.com/TheLoveBel0w/status/952382829060648966/video/1

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PerkingFaintly · 21/06/2018 20:59

(I'm saying that from memory, so please do make corrections if I've got anything wrong. But that was the gist as I understood it.)

mackerella · 21/06/2018 21:10

I'm loving all the sass from the dictionaries on Twitter since Scrotus took over Grin

Dictionary.com

@Dictionarycom
Indifference. Lack of interest or care.

E.g. The words on Melania Trump's jacket indicate indifference. [[https://t.co/H7chXjfEMJ?amp=1
www.dictionary.com/browse/indifference …]]

mobile.twitter.com/Dictionarycom/status/1009874874943397889

mackerella · 21/06/2018 21:14

In fact...

Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster
@MerriamWebster
'Callosity'
literal - abnormal hardness of skin
figurative - lack of feeling or capacity for emotion

www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/heres-that-thing-youre-feeling/callosity

8:51 pm · 21 Jun 2018

Gumpendorf · 21/06/2018 21:14

Interesting Perking. So, a moratorium for 20 days, the courts refuse to overturn Flores which means Trump will argue he has no choice but to separate children from parents 'to protect America'. The children are then housed in military facilities which means the media, lawyers and (also?) Congress are denied access. Is that right?

Stunning and evil. Just evil.

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PerkingFaintly · 21/06/2018 21:23

If I understand correctly, media, Congress and most lawyers are already denied access, unless HHS decides to allow it.

But there's a specific group of lawyers, those working under the terms of the Flores settlement, who are allowed in.

If I understand correctly (and I may not), those lawyers too will lose access once the children are in the military's lap.

Gumpendorf · 21/06/2018 21:31

Thanks Perking

I hope the media keep focused on this. And the babies and children still separated from their parents who are now being dispersed across the country.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/06/2018 21:48

That Jacket - jaw-droppingly crass!

Randy persists.
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Minimammoth · 21/06/2018 21:55

What are the prospects for the mid term elections do we think?.

NetofLemons · 21/06/2018 22:02

It’s not seeming much better today to be honest:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44565710
BBC: Confusion reigns over fate of detained migrant children

This US blogger is a fashion blogger but she has a big following of mums and she gives some links to various article and tweets and practical tips on what you can do to help. Some are US-based actions, others anyone can do.
themomedit.com/2018/06/keeping-families-together/

lionheart · 21/06/2018 22:13

Weather. I would love to know what is going on in the WH right now.

Stormy D. is heading to the border and wants to know where the little girls have gone.

thehill.com/latino/393532-stormy-daniels-heading-to-border-to-try-to-help-migrant-children

lionheart · 21/06/2018 22:14

Adam Schiff

Verified account

@RepAdamSchiff
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Secretary Nielsen privately told lawmakers the Administration may go back to separating children from their parents. Congress must ensure that NEVER happens. I'm urging the House Appropriations Committee to prevent funds from ever being used to separate families entering the US.

Roussette · 21/06/2018 22:22

I just think Melania and that jacket... REALLY... knowing the furore, knowing the groundswell of opinion all over the world, could she really be that stupid. I have no sympathy for her, she's a waste of space.

'I really don't care, do you'.

She's a stupid cow. 'It's a jacket, there's no hidden meaning'.

Of course there fucking is. Whatever the message is, it is not good

NetofLemons · 21/06/2018 22:30

Eg
themomedit.com/2018/06/keeping-families-together/ recommends:

What to Read for Understanding

What’s Happening When Asylum-Seeking Families are Separated

www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

This is a detailed interview with Ann Chandler, who runs the Children’s Border Project, the organization who works with hundreds of kids that have been released from ORR’s [Office of Refugee Resettlement] care.

They are not a legal service, they’ve mostly been working with the parents in the days they are being separated from their children. It’s horrific.

‘Sometimes they will tell the parent, “We’re taking your child away.” And when the parent asks, “When will we get them back?” they say, “We can’t tell you that.”

Sometimes the officers will say, “because you’re going to be prosecuted” or “because you’re not welcome in this country” or “because we’re separating them,” without giving them a clear justification.

In other cases, we see no communication that the parent knows that their child is to be taken away. Instead, the officers say, “I’m going to take your child to get bathed.” That’s one we see again and again.
“Your child needs to come with me for a bath.” The child goes off, and in a half an hour, twenty minutes, the parent inquires, ^“Where is my five-year-old?” “Where’s my seven-year-old?” “This is a long bath.”
And they say, “You won’t be seeing your child again.”^

In the article, Ann Chandler does a good job of explaining *why these asylum-seekers are not able to come in through the legal ports of entry’

She also describes how poor the administration of the separation arrangements are and it’s very clear how unlikely it will be that a lot of them will be able to be reunited with their families.

It’s horrendous.

Roussette · 21/06/2018 22:36

It's nauseating net
Sad

lionheart · 21/06/2018 22:38

Some more good news.

Elizabeth Warren

Verified account

@SenWarren

'Thousands of students were cheated by for-profit colleges, but @BetsyDeVosED wants to stop students from getting the full loan forgiveness they deserve. So, I called for an investigation. Now a federal judge has agreed with me & stopped her illegal scheme.'

NetofLemons · 21/06/2018 22:52

Rousette It’s terrifying.
Not telling the separated parents what their legal situation is or how they can get their kids back.
Setting up the system so the families can only enter the US in the way that the US has declared ‘zero tolerance’ of... with this kind of life changing child abuse and human rights abuse waiting to punish them all for that entry.

From that article I linked to:

‘Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or you are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you.

TM: So if you cross any other way besides the bridge, we’re prosecuting you. But . . . you can’t cross the bridge.

AC: That’s right. I’ve talked to tons of people. There are organizations like Al Otro Lado that document border turn-backs. And there’s an effort to accompany asylum seekers so that Customs and Border Patrol can’t say, “We’re closed.” Everybody we’ve talked to who’s been prosecuted or separated has crossed the river without a visa.’

TheClaws · 22/06/2018 01:33

Racism in action. Trump says it, Fox airs it with pleasure.

Fox News @FoxNews
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"Mexico is doing nothing for us except taking our money and sending us drugs."

WATCH: President @realDonaldTrump speaks discusses immigration at Cabinet meeting - Part 2.

TheClaws · 22/06/2018 02:13

An example of the ugliness of the extreme Right on the child separation issue. This is from Breitbart, the safe place of Deplorables. I wouldn’t advise looking in on the comment section; it’s like dipping your head into a box of drugged-up snakes. Anyway, this particular poster has advice on solving the issue at hand (I’ve removed his handle):

Take the little brats and drop them in the desert. Coyotes need to eat too.

And that certainly isn’t an isolated comment, if you’re wondering.

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