What do you say to family/friends who are right wing?

[ChocolateRaisin09]

It gets me down. I don't feel like I can discuss with my parents, in laws etc because I get too emotional, and they get defensive, but when I hear them say things like "Trump is what we need", and some frankly racist comments, I feel so helpless. They're not going to change. But I want to challenge them. It's no excuse that they're from another generation, there ARE older people who are not racist!

I wish I could stop them reading the Daily Fail (have wondered about gifting a subscription to a different paper) and broaden their minds somehow.

I am still so bitter that my parents, my in laws and people I work closely with all voted for Brexit. How do I stop hating them all?!

Sorry, bit of a rant. Wish I could let it wash over me, but honestly I don't want to be around these people sometimes and would consider limiting my daughter's time with them.

the old bag

Well aren’t you the charmer OP. Maybe your family try and upset you as you clearly will be upsetting them.

I dooooooo LeighaJ but it turns into an argument. I was asking for how to do it better. Constructive advice welcome

You don't have anything helpful to add, so go away

You missed out "stamps foot"

If you read the Daily Mail you ARE thick.

You need to stop reading the Cunty Times.....

I love that old bag is offensive but defending racists is fine. I'm quite fine with disagreeing with that!

. If you read the Daily Mail you ARE thick.

You see, that’s just not true don't you?

Which paper would you have us all read?

Can you see that by expecting everyone to read from me source you’re talking us in the direction of countries that have ensured mindset by only allowing citizens one source of controlled information.

I’m better by you wouldn’t like that either.

You think namecalling is fine?

@throughthickandthin01

Yeah the OP is breathtakingly narrow minded and sounds incredibly immature. Along with very rude and obnoxious and arrogant.

The list is endless, and the irony of her words hilarious.

She said she was leaving the thread 3 pages back.

Obviously loving the reactions she is getting.

That's why she posted the thread. Click click bait bait....

I'm out. Not giving the goady OP anything else.

The same thing you say to family who are left wing. Nothing. Or shut up, if they try and foist their opinion onto you.

So if you voted leave you must be by definition a right wing bigot?

Do you left wing remainders even remember your idol Jeremy Corbin is a self confessed Eurosceptic who voted against the Lisbon Treaty and spoke against the Maastricht treaty. I wonder if he will ever be brave enough to tell the country where his X went in the referendum.

I'm sure that some people read DM for fun rather than because they are thick. Not really any different than watching football or TV drama shows. Everyone had a guilty chavy pleasure. I am quite impartial to period dramas myself

Why do you make so many assumptions based on something that means very little.

You sound lovely

OP it is extremely rude to call someone that disagrees with you an “old bag”. It is offensive and doesn’t reflect you or your argument in a good light.

See what I did there? Try that with your DRellies.

Such a cliché. I knew opening this thread it would be they voted Brexit, they read the Daily Mail, they are racist, they are older .......

I try not to engage in any conversation that refers to any of it. My parents are the same. Giving out about immigration, Trump is doing it right etc. I just tell them that it's not something we can discuss. I've lost a bit of respect for them. When DD is older I will make it VERY clear that she is not to be exposed to this hatred.

I read everything from "National Enquirer" to Proust.

I'm nothing if not eclectic.

People who make sweeping generalisations about someone because of a paper they read are the thick ones IMO.

I wish I could stop them reading the Daily Fail

How controlling!

KC you forgot they probably own their own property whilst OP has to rent and complain about the young using the NHS whilst having private healthcare.

Bastards.

Anyway, this is getting silly. Time for a meme:-

The thing is Pebbles being exposed to it opens the debate, makes people question and oppose. You can form an opinion based on the whole picture.

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penny, take a minute to compose yourself and engage properly with what OP is asking.

Families can be toxic, with horrible views. This isn't OP's fault. She is asking how to engage with her family because they aren't critical thinkers and instead parrot Daily Mail headlines. Calling them thick is actually quite a measured response.

I had similar issues with ex-inlaws, but on the opposite side of the spectrum (hard left, or rather this strange British version of hard left).
I come from a ex-communist country, but apparently my own experience did not count and only they knew what an amazing country the USSR actually was.
Finally fell out with them when Russian bombs were dropped on my childhood town and FIL thought it is such a small thing in the wider context of the sunlike Putin opposing the evil capitalistic conspiracy.

The issue I have with the DM is that the arguments are not based on fact and the journalism doesn't seem very robust. And its fine if people read it for entertainment or gossip or whatever, but if it is the only place that people get their information from then it gets a bit worrying and it seems that their views can get skewed. Its not really about whether it is left or right wing. But you can't have a proper political discussion if all the 'facts' are not based on any evidence.

Loving the Memes.

If cats voted who would they vote for?

I also think they can secretly read and roller skate and play table tennis. They just don’t want to

chocolate My family are like this, and I tried steering conversations away etc. Eventually I said that there were subjects that are not appropriate to discuss around DC. It needed to be said as sometimes they were vicious about people who's ethnic origin was the same as some of DCs paternal family.
The conversations don't happen anymore because they've decided not to talk to us. Win win as far as I'm concerned.

OP you will ever win an argument with these people and are wasting your energy and raising your blood pressure for nothing,
What bigoted racist ever admitted they were such?
I feel depressed to the point of sickness over the way this country is heading. I thought in the past that the system was becoming more ethical and just instead we are heading back into the Victorian way of thinking. Why the poor and working class continue to support the rich who treat them with distain I do not know.
You are the most important person in your DC life and use every opportunity to educate them and do not hesitate to point out that your DPs are deluded, you can do it fondly as they obviously haven’t had your advantages in nature or nurture or education etc.
My DF was racist but one of his daughters married a person of colour (to identifying to use proper terminology here) and he adored his mixed e GD. None of his DC are racist and their DC are or have dated people of other ethnicity etc.