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to wonder why anyone votes tory?

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traciebanbanjo · 18/06/2018 21:10

All they seem to represent us keeping the rich, rich and the poor, poor. There doesn't seem to be that many rich people so why do they get so many votes?

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auntiebasil · 20/06/2018 13:08

I don't blame Corbyn. I cite this as a recent example of how his message didn't carry the day and, if he's a fingertip away from government as his acolytes claim, it should have.

Vicky1990 · 20/06/2018 13:13

Xenia.
Corbin is a good man??
Just to say again Corbin supported the IRA.
They murdered and maimed hundreds of men, women and children.
How can you call any one who supported this murderng organisation.a good man.
I had a friend who was murdered by Corbins friends and who left behind a wife and two sons, and Corbin and co praised them.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/06/2018 13:14

I think many of us would be happy to pay more tax - IF we could be sure it was going to be spent wisely and not wasted - and if we could be sure that the waste of taxpayer money that already occurs both nationally and locally - would be properly curtailed.

I used to work for a local council that was endlessly bleating about shortage of funds - despite having one of the highest rates of CT in the country - but it didn't see fit to cut the 'frills' which would have been all very nice if there had been plenty of money sloshing about to fund them.

Then they were also keen on paying a lot of money to management consultants, so they could justify what they had already decided to do anyway, and call me a hardened cynic, but I have little doubt that the MCs were briefed as to the required findings.

What goes on elsewhere - sheer incompetence, unnecessary layers of management/bureaucracy, vanity projects, etc., - I dread to think - I seem to recall a book called 'The Bumper Book of Government Waste' which I never did get around to reading.

Probably very bad for the blood pressure if I ever did.

auntiebasil · 20/06/2018 13:15

@Vicky1990 . I'm sorry that this happened and I'm sorry there is such an exercise in rewriting history on this matter by Corbyn's acolytes.

LillianGish · 20/06/2018 13:16

In fact the in fighting in the Labour party I would say is the reason why they didn't win. Well we agree on something then. If the Labour party itself can't agree on Jeremy Corbyn how can they expect to find agreement on him outside the party. This thread is about why people vote Conservative and I believe he is a large part of that reason. You can dress it up however you like, but you are unlikely to win Tory waverers over to Labour with someone viewed as an extremist in charge. This ought to be Labour's chance of taking back power, but they won't because they too busy arguing among themselves to reach a reasonable compromise that might appeal to voters. It is incredibly depressing.

Xenia · 20/06/2018 13:17

Corbyn did not win the last election. Neither his party nor the Tories were then nor now united. The Tories have remainers and brexiters (as indeed do Labour) and I believe that most MPs (90%) were voted in at the last election on a Brexit ticket despite so many MPs of all parties being for remain. It's a bit of a mess. Labour may be lucky to be out of it and leave the Tories to have all the problems Brexit will cause.

I was very pleased Corbyn did not seize power and it is all to play for in 2022 (if not earlier) when the next election will happen.

Most people know both Tories and Labour want to see the disabled who cannot work provided for and that May is proposing very high amounts for the NHS (which I don't support but presumably she thinks will buy votes - she might help the NHS better if she banned every processed food from British soil but I doubt anyone is going to support me on that).

BadLad · 20/06/2018 13:18

I agree we have not had majority Tory rule since Labour lost office in 2010

Points to 2015-2017

topcat1980 · 20/06/2018 13:21

" the Labour party itself can't agree on Jeremy Corbyn how can they expect to find agreement on him outside the party"

Thats the problem though isn't it, the party membership voted overwhelmingly for him.

"Just to say again Corbin supported the IRA."

No he didn't. tabloid hyperbole.

auntiebasil · 20/06/2018 13:23

I clearly imagined the photo of Corbyn shaking Adams ' hand just after the Brighton Bomb. And don't give me that teenage bullshit about how he was part of the peace process. He wasn't.

LillianGish · 20/06/2018 13:23

Thats the problem though isn't it, the party membership voted overwhelmingly for him. Well yes and no - lots of people who supported him signed up for party membership.

topcat1980 · 20/06/2018 13:26

"I clearly imagined the photo of Corbyn shaking Adams ' hand just after the Brighton Bomb."

Which was nothing to do with the Brighton bomb, or the IRA, Adams was an elected MP discussing political prisoner status and conditions with an MP who was willing to engage.

But you want to present a simple and untrue narrative, don't you, cause it confirms your bias.

topcat1980 · 20/06/2018 13:27

"Well yes and no - lots of people who supported him signed up for party membership."

That's a bit of a myth that people signed up to keep him in.

He also won his first election with a landslide too.

TammySwansonTwo · 20/06/2018 13:31

Yeah, I mean he’s only won multiple peace prizes, including the Gandhi foundation prize, for his work.... but if you say so.

Meanwhile, there’s a current Tory councillor in Croyden who was an actual IRA member... but Corbyn is a terrorist.
evolvepolitics.com/realise-current-conservative-politician-literally-member-ira-right/

Sure.

LillianGish · 20/06/2018 13:33

He also won his first election with a landslide too. But the fact remains he couldn't win a general election could he? And nor is he likely to imo - he is far too Marmite. Many Labour voters are not fans and those he needs to win over to Labour distrust him. He is not the man for the job - unfortunately the Labour Party itself is too pigheaded to see this.

Xenia · 20/06/2018 13:36

Corbyn is neither an IRA supporter nor anti semitic but people believe what they choose to believe and the same about the Tories - that they want no welfare state andno NHS. All incorrect.

Anyway long live Corbyn as it may mean the Tories can win in 2022 for 5 more years after that.

auntiebasil · 20/06/2018 13:40

I'm guessing that the Brighton Bomb is history book stuff for you. Imagine, if you will, some back bench publicity seeking tosspot MP inviting a Daesh twat to Parliament and shaking his hand just after the Manchester Arena attack. That's how it felt. And I hate Thatcher.

topcat1980 · 20/06/2018 13:42

The Brighton bomb is not history nor is your analysis of either situation correct

auntiebasil · 20/06/2018 13:45

Thanks @topcat1980 . You've completely changed my memory mind about both dreadful events .

topcat1980 · 20/06/2018 13:46

Aww love, it would help if you had a mind to change to start with.

I'm quite with Xenia on this, Corbyn is too devisive to be PM but not cause of the policies, because of the rhetoric you and others ( and major parts of the media) choose to spin.

TammySwansonTwo · 20/06/2018 13:48

But, in your analogy, you trust a party who have the equivalent of a member of Daesh as a serving councillor?

Riiiight.

Gottagetmoving · 20/06/2018 13:51

It's those who can work but choose not to and are given a living wage for doing FA are the ones who get the backs up of people who work hard and find themselves supporting those who don't- because they don't have to

Who are 'those people' ?
Have you got figures?
Do you know how difficult it is to get benefits if you are fit and able?
Do you know the government spend millions to take genuinely sick people off benefits?
Do you know people have died or committed suicide as a result of this government's welfare policy? Do you give a shit?
Does it bother you wealthy people and corporations are not paying the tax they should and the amount avoided is far, far more than paid to any benefit fraud?
Do you prefer wealthy people to have more because of this rather than vulnerable people getting what they need?
Stop believing the demonising of the poor ffs!

topcat1980 · 20/06/2018 13:53

Ah the mythical benefit queens/kings.

Very, very small amounts of people and fiscally insignificant.

MexicanBob · 20/06/2018 13:54

What is the alternative? Labour - who couldn't win the last election in the face of the Tories running the worst election campaign ever run in British politics or the Lib Dems - who fucked up royally when in the coalition in failing to get PR to replace FPTP and over tuition fees.

All 3 main parties are chronically useless at the moment.

auntiebasil · 20/06/2018 13:55

In my analogy, I trust neither Labour nor SinnFein or the Tories or the DUP. But if you kids are happy to play with these people, go ahead.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2018 14:13

I see the "suicide due to government cuts/policy" trope is getting dragged in yet again, and while this is endlessly claimed by countless plumply funded poverty groups, last time I looked suicides in the UK have to be subject to a Coroners Inquest

The Coroner's role is, of course, to consider all available evidence and determine the true cause of death - so I wonder if anyone can point to cases where these "cuts" have, indeed, been independently judged to be the cause?