to wonder why anyone votes tory?

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All they seem to represent us keeping the rich, rich and the poor, poor. There doesn't seem to be that many rich people so why do they get so many votes?

The problem is with all the Tory squabbling they don’t look like winners.

If Labour didn't win its a failure"

No it really isn't, gained votes and seats count as a positive.

Saying May won because she had to form a coalition government with the creationist loonies in NI is a joke.

There was no victory for either, but describing it as a failure is clap trap and shows your bias.

Interesting that Corbyn failing to become PM is my bias

Conflate away dear.

Because Jeremy Corbyn is an absolute idiot, who would fuck up the whole country....for a start

Hmmm well expressed opinion there.

@topcat1980 - you started patronising me with dear. Hope that works for you with other people.

Common theme with Tories here and on social media - attack Corbyn say sod all about the benefits of Tory policy.

The Tories are shit. Their policies are a joke. Defeating them should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Corbyn and his suck up supporters are also shit.

@auntiebasil manily cause you made bad analogies and counterfactual claims

Because Jeremy Corbyn is an absolute idiot, who would fuck up the whole country....for a start

Pretty idiotic thing to say. The country, and by that I mean the people (remember them?) have been pretty much fucked up by this Tory government.
Never mind about that though, Theresa May says she is strong and stable

I am a lifelong Labour supporter, but I can understand why people don’t want to vote for Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour Party needs to understand that there is no point having the moral high ground unless you are electable. I don’t understand why those running the party can’t see that. The last election should have been an open goal for Labour - the fact that they were unable to score is down to Corbyn. I think with a different leader the swing would have been even greater and they would now be in power. Since then the Tories have tied themselves in further knots, but I honestly doubt Labour can win the next election unless they ditch Corbyn.

This thing about the last election being an open goal is the height of revisionism.

No one expected Labour to do as well as they did.

Saying they should have done better now is revisionist and being used to condemn them

My dh votes Tory, because he has thought long and hard about the policies of the different parties, and how they affect him, us, and the economy, and has decided that the Tories are the best option. He is definitely a conservative (small C) person - he was raised in a Conservative household and went to fee-paying schools, and I think that his upbringing had an effect on his political leanings (as it does for us all).

I vote either Labour or Lib Dem - frankly, where I live, only Labour have any chance of beating the SNP, but my personal politics are more centrist than Labour is at the moment - but at least I feel that my vote cancels out dh's!

I don't think we are all trashing Corbyn who I think is a principled and good man actually (but a massive asset to the Tories). Tory policies are the best we have at present. Fairly high tax (ugh), high spend but done a bit of work in trying to close the gap between what we bring in and what we spend - although nothing like enough and we now have the fullest employment rate I believe since about the 1950s.

Whoever was in power for 2018 Brexit was always going to be handed a poisoned chalice - it will be very difficult and I don't envy the current Government over that aspect.

Let us see if Labour win power at the next election. They have failed to do so since 2010 so are hardly soaring on the crest of a wave, even the Labour voters must accept that.

Because people have different priorities to you.
The government are responsible for a huge range of diverse issues. What is most important to you is not necessarily top of someone else’s list.
I despair at all the comments along the lines of “Tories hate the poor and want them all to die”. Why can’t you see that they are mostly just regular people with differing opinions?

Very glad I forgot to hide this now!

Tories are Fairly high tax (ugh), high spend? I’d happily pay more tax. Under labour i no doubt would pay more tax and I’d have no problem doing so when it’s being channeled into public services.

The tories have taken a two pronged attack against the most vulnerable - hit disability benefits, hit the NHS. They’re quite happy for those people to die, I’m not sure why people can’t see this.

In terms of disability benefits, by the government’s own calculations, the level of fraud for these benefits was minuscule. How much do you think it cost to overhaul disability benefits, and reassess everyone, remove lifetime awards? At one point they paid ATOS £300 million (with none coming back through tax, obviously) for assessments - what kind of arsehole would rather this money went to a corporation and not to people in need?

Tax fraud is a far bigger issue. JSA fraud even is a bigger issue. But the disabled are the weaker targets, so here we are. Who can condone this approach with their vote? It’s disgusting.

Then you have the simultaneous cutting of social care and outreach and the police. What do people think the result of this will be? What do people think the result of increasing waiting lists and cutting treatment will be? It’s not rocket science.

A country’s economy is not the same as a bloody household budget. Cut people’s income relative to cost of living, and you reduce income to the country. Cut early intervention and you increase costs down the line - but they no doubt understand they wont be in power by then and it won’t be their problem.

If anyone thinks the tories will get back in next time, they’re delusional. Last election, it was seen as a foregone conclusion - the tories would increase their majority because Corbyn was “unelectable”. But labour ended up to 40% of the vote versus the tories 42.4% - people won’t fall for that again.

If Corbyn is such a vote winner why did no one listen to his Remain message. Oops, I forgot. He didn't have one.

No one expected Labour to do as well as they did. Or rather no one expected Labour to do as well as they did with Corbyn at the helm. Topcat you are clearly a fan, but if you can’t see that he is a divisive figure then you are deluded. At a time when the Conservative Party is practically eating itself with its own divisions I would have thought Labour would have done well to pick a more unifying leader - someone who could unite their own party and then the country. Looking at the mess the Tories are making it really should be an open goal - that’s not revisionism it is as plain as the nose on your face. Is Jeremy Corbyn really Labour’s best player to lure away disillusioned Tory voters or those waveringin the centre which he will have to do for a decisive victory.

The Torres are pricks, but they're not stupid.

Labour are both pricks AND stupid

Genius !

"If Corbyn is such a vote winner why did no one listen to his Remain message"

He did, and 65% of Labour voters did vote remain.

But remind me of who the leaders of the remain campaign were? Oh that's right the Tory Prime Minister. 65% of tories voted leave.

Hmmm

65% of Labour voters is not enough. I voted Remain and I'll never vote Labour while Corbyn is leader.

Because some people are grownups who realise that if you want something you need to work hard and pay for it.

Exactly! Whilst we have a government who rewards people for not working they will continue to sponge of the taxpayer, and complain the government doesn't give them enough money or provide housing suitable for the amount of children they chose to have.

As already stated, many times on this thread, nobody wants to see disabled people and children not catered for. And the government (whichever party is in power) has always allowed benefits for those who CANNOT work and children.

It's those who can work but choose not to and are given a living wage for doing FA are the ones who get the backs up of people who work hard and find themselves supporting those who don't- because they don't have to. No matter what political party are in power. I think this issue is the main reason why voters have turned to the Tories.

Has anyone, yet, come up with any idea how Corbyn is going to find more money than May? Other than raising taxes of the workers?

As shown on this thread alone those who live off benefits are mainly worried about their income dropping under the Tories. They are not worries that workers will have to pay more taxes to support them - Under Labour.

Labour supporters have called Tory supporters selfish, inhumane....because their benefits will be capped but don't give a toss that the only way Labour will gain the money they require for benefits is to raise taxes of the workers - thus decreasing their earnings.

It works both ways...

I'm actually not a fan, but the accusations are inaccurate.

The Tory party was not eating itself during the election, or really prior to the election. In fact the in fighting in the Labour party I would say is the reason why they didn't win.

It is revisionism to take the election result and say that the Tories were tearing themselves apart ( They weren't) and that it was their poor performance that led to the result, meaning Labour should have won.

The Labour party was the one tearing itself apart, it had the press attacks on Corbyn and the others, it started from a difficult position in terms of the public view and had a really succesful campaign gaining seats and the vote.

Just like its revisionist to blame Corbyn for Brexit.

"65% of Labour voters is not enough. "

Its a majority, so to blame Corbyn for the leave vote is ridiculous.