to wonder why anyone votes tory?

[traciebanbanjo]

All they seem to represent us keeping the rich, rich and the poor, poor. There doesn't seem to be that many rich people so why do they get so many votes?

tammy

If your RL situation is as you say it is how on earth can can you support a man and a party who have no chance of getting elected? You are condemning us and you to another tory government for years and years!

Why would you do that? I find that incredibly of your circumstances are what you say they are?

TammySwansonTwo
Not their now though

I fucking am thanks so fuck off

All labour have ever done is try and keep people like me TRAPPED son welfare I remember when I was 17 having had my son a desperately trying to get to coallge being told by the then labour controlled DWp
Your better off on benefits

And unlike many of my friends I thankfull didn’t stay on welfare but labour would of had be sat on it for my born days until I was virtually unemployable
My sister is now 36 and only got her first job when the Tory’s came in and told single parents their is now no longer a life of the dole

She works in sales now and earns 22k a year she still would be sat at home if labour had got in again

No chance of getting elected? Yeah, you lot tried to pull that last time and we ended up with a hung parliament.

What do you think I should do, support a party systematically targeting the most vulnerable in society?

tammy

If your RL situation is as you say it is how on earth can can you support a man and a party who have no chance of getting elected? You are condemning us and you to another tory government for years and years!

Why would you do that? I find that incredibly of your circumstances are what you say they are?
amenof you hate the Tory’s that much through your weight behind someone who has a chance of winning no point sponsoreing me to win the US open is their

TammySwansonTwo

Are you confused about how winning works

She got the most votes she didn’t win by as much as she thought she would but still one unless Jeremy Corbyn has a Mrs may suit on and he’s now identified as a lady

What do you think I should do, support a party systematically targeting the most vulnerable in society?

No back a labour leader who might win

And in order to win you have to convince swing voters and Tory’s that labour is the party
To do this you need to step to the left and get a leader who is pragmatic and strong Jc is none of those I would also say one who is not white male and or wealthy

I mean step from the left

unlike many of my friends I thankfull didn’t stay on welfare but labour would of had me sat on it for my born days until I was virtually unemployable

And you've just made a very valuable point about the politically inspired benefits trap - it's buying votes, pure and simple

To be fair, all parties do this with their "client group", but Labour's way involves trapping them in awful deprivation so they'll keep voting for their paymasters (the "classic pimp trick" you mentioned)

No thanks

Corbyn is not sufficiently popular among centrists to get Labour elected. Do you want a Labour government or do you want a bunch of self righteous so and so s in permanent opposition?

Because Labour seem a total mess of hypocritical champagne socialists overly concerned with a victim hierarchy. With a hefty dose of misogyny and antisemitism to go with it.
Brendan Cox sums up left Labour for me, lecturing and virtue signalling, while grabbing women by the throat.

Mayday01

Because Labour seem a total mess of hypocritical champagne socialists overly concerned with a victim hierarchy. With a hefty dose of misogyny and antisemitism to go with it.
Brendan Cox sums up left Labour for me, lecturing and virtue signalling, while grabbing women by the throat.
amen it was all hang your heads in shame and actually it was shame on fucking you and this actually happened ages ago but the liberals said nothing just like they said nothing about sex attacks in Germany

Really? Now we are going to compare individual characters on each side? Is that really something you want to start, because it won’t end well.

I find some of these responses so delusional that they’re beyond reply, to be honest.

You think the last election was a victory for May? I know full well how winning works, and that’s not it. She threw away an enormous majority, with the backing of the press to make Corbyn appear unelectable, and yet the results spoke for themselves. Even with many people avoiding voting Labour because he was allegedly unelectable, they decimated the Tory majority. They’re only in power now after raiding the supposedly mythical money tree, to hand over an obscene sum to a bunch of fundamentalists who have hamstrung her ever since. Some win.

The existence of a robust welfare state is not a way of controlling people - the irony of this coming from Tory supporters, especially those who are not wealthy, is baffling. But sure, keep it up - when all the apparent “virtue signallers” stop fighting or are gone, I’ll be interested to see who’s going to protect your rights against the shower of shits you’ve willingly elected.

I didn't need the Tory press to put me off Corbyn.

The existence of a robust welfare state is not a way of controlling people - the irony of this coming from Tory supporters, especially those who are not wealthy, is baffling. But sure, keep it up - when all the apparent “virtue signallers” stop fighting or are gone, I’ll be interested to see who’s going to protect your rights against the shower of shits you’ve willingly elected.
hou and your ilk are not defenders of people like me rights

You pretend to protect me from the evils of grammers and private schools while putting your children in them

You pretend to want to preserve immigration when running to the Home Counties when more than one black face moves into your street
Easy to encourage something you personally don’t have to live with

You pretend to fight for my right to welfare when we know every study shows it’s easier to find a job when you already have one that it’s better for your mental health to do even a small job like a voluntary one and workleness gets passed on with in families

And you pretend to protect my rights as a female when we know slowly giving my rights away to privalled men who practice women face

Please if you or your ilk are my defender I am already in deep shit

Classic pimp trick number 4 pretend you love her make her think your hers and she is yours and if she gets out of hand make her know her place

Some win.

Who are you talking to @Metoodear ?

I didn't need the Tory press to put me off Corbyn.

The majority of people don't, despite what "The Canary" readers think, most people who have come onto threads discussing their dislike for corbyn keep stating the fact but it doesn't fit the narrative. Everyone just needs to be "educated"

So many comments on this thread reinforcing why I won't vote Labour

The Tories vote share rise recently is very much amongst the traditional working class that Labour either ignores or patronises.

Even with many people avoiding voting Labour because he was allegedly unelectable, they decimated the Tory majority.

Actually I think you’ll find it was the Tories with their shitshow of a manifesto which decimated their vote share. It wasn’t anything Labour did.

Actually that’s where you’re wrong because, regardless of your hostility, and do and will continue to defend your rights.

I don’t agree with self ID (the Tory policy, remember?). I do know that there’s a better chance of fending it off in a party that actually listens to its members than a party like the tories. And I’m not going to throw disabled people, single mothers, food bank users and children under the bus over it either. Seriously, what about those disabled kids about to be made so much worse off - collateral damage? Unimportant? Doesn’t affect you so never mind?

So labour gained massively but they weren’t responsible for the Tory losses? Okay then 🙄

She threw away an enormous majority

Eh??

The number of seats needed for an absolute majority in 326 and before the 2017 election the Tories had 331 (a "working majority" is different, but I won't risk confusing you with that ...)

I do know that there’s a better chance of fending it off in a party that actually listens to its members than a party like the tories. And I’m not going to throw disabled people, single mothers, food bank users and children under the bus over it either.

The current shit show of Women Shortlists is not a party that is listening to its members whether it is a Tory policy or not, as for your other part you do keep ignoring the last Labour manifesto was about keeping the majority of the benefit cuts.

So labour gained massively but they weren’t responsible for the Tory losses? Okay then

The fact that the Tories had effectively been in power for 7 years with all the austerity and shothousery involved Labour still could not win does not mean there is an appetite for Corbyn and momentum. We can keep ignoring the polls that still put the tories ahead since then if you like.

We could ignore the ~100 front bench mps that have left because of corbyn and the young realising his stance on brexit and many many other examples of how he is not credible leader.

You can use emotive language, but until Labour offer something concrete that appeals to the centre left many of whom are well within the cross hairs of his "targeting the rich" then he will not be getting anywhere.

you think the last election was a victory for May

Ummmm yes! Do you get how elections work?