to wonder why anyone votes tory?

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All they seem to represent us keeping the rich, rich and the poor, poor. There doesn't seem to be that many rich people so why do they get so many votes?

merely not over taxing them because they know that an exodus would result in economic catastrohy

Ah,....that old one...the fear of the wealthy leaving...?!!
Many of them pay less tax than ordinary people do, with their fiddles and avoidance schemes.
It's a stupid idle threat that gets thrown around and people believe itm

I agree with metoodear too () As it stands the current Labour party are a party I cannot in good conscience vote for. They have a kneejerk reaction to everything and are more trapped in the Islington bubble than the Blairites, if that was possible. Tuition fees affect quite a small proportion of the population, mainly kids of the middle class still, so to abolish tuition fees totally would mean potentially people on minimum wage paying taxes to allow people more privileged than them to go to university. The dementia tax, which was opposed somehow even though it protected inherited wealth, again meaning that people without their own homes who could only afford to rent end up paying taxes to fund social care for people sitting on a huge amount of equity in their home. Opposition to both of those policies were designed to appeal to middle class Londoners rather than the Working Class. As a Middle Class University educated former Londoner myself with parents who have a London property with a huge amount of equity, I'd benefit from both those policies being abolished. Even then, if I was voting in my own best interests, I can't vote for Labour as a woman when Labour has demonstrated such contempt for women.

Wow, it’s almost as if a Tory MP didn’t scupper the upskirting bill only last Friday. Selective memories.

Re: Iraq Tories supported involvement.

Yes and it’s almost as if all this Middle East crazy sit doesn’t firmly start with Toney and crazy bush

Gottag

So you remember the 70s? The brain drain was real and if you actually think post Brexit we should discourage entrepreneurs and tax people more to make this country more unnatractive to move to and do business with? Seriously? I can see why you think Jezza is sensible

I vote Tory in our local elections because labour have been nothing but a shit show! Tory are marginally better.

ghosto

He’s a prat.

Almost as bad as labour allowing self ID! Mysogynistic bastards on both sides but at least he has apologised??

Or has Corbyn apologised? Has he?

Most of today’s problems stem from Tory policy in the 80s.

Privatisation
Deindustralisation
Council house sell offs
Assured short hold tenancies
Free market boom and bust economics
Globalisation
Civil unrest

Who suffered the most? The working class did.

I am not a Tory but how others vote is none of your business. It is a democracy and people can vote for which ever party their beliefs are most aligned to. I think it is unreasonable to ask that question.

Well make them suffer more ghosty keep supporting Corbyn and the tories will stay in power.

Good job

Er, well argued oh my days

And to add so you actually remember why thatcher was able to bring in all these policies???

Because there was an unelectable Labour Party!!!

Ffs

So thatchers awful policies were somebody else’s fault?

most of today’s problems stem from tory policies in the 80s

Banging head against a wall. yes and why was that!!?? Because thatcher ran unchecked can you not see a parallel

Honestly if you are young then that’s understandable but please google and see the parallels.

I don't get how hard workers are rewarded under a Tory government
Teachers and nurses work hard and don't get a fortune. It is survival of the fittest under the Tories.

Smiling at all the “because I’m not a selfish c*nt” and “because I care about the poor and disabled” virtue signalling. How original...

Maybe beneftis aimed at the disabled needed to be overhauled. Maybe they were outdated and not fit for purpose. Yes, mistakes are made - no need to include any links to 4 year old Mirror articles about people dying from benefits sanctions. On the other hand, there were people on indefinite DLA awards who really shouldn’t have been.

Remember, it was Labour who introduced ESA complete with assessments. On introduction, about 10% of claimants went into the support group and 65% were found fit for work. Nowadays, under the nasty tories, about 40% are placed in the support group and 45% are found fit for work.

Of course, we’ll now get the comments that the last labour government were ‘red tories’ or ‘Tory-lite’ or some other nonsense.

Thatcher had the backing of the press. Plays a massive role. Blair had murdochs support. The gutter press supported Brexit. See a pattern?

"The Conservative party is an eternally irritating force for wrong that appeals exclusively to bigots, toffs, money-minded machine men, faded entertainers and selfish, grasping simpletons who were born with some essential part of their soul missing. None of history's truly historical figures has been a Tory, apart from the ones that were, and they only did it by mistake. To reach a more advanced stage of intellectual evolution, humankind must first eradicate the "Tory instinct" from the brain - which is why mother nature is gradually making them less sexy with each passing generation. The final Tory is doomed to spend his or her life masturbating alone on a hillside, which, let's face it, is the way things were supposed to be all along."

• Charlie Brooker

Ah,....that old one...the fear of the wealthy leaving...?!!

Unfortunately you're showing your poor grasp of history; it happened during the punitive taxes of the 70s and could in all probability happen again

But let's not allow realism to spoil things, while there's a chance of a few more voting Labour due to the crass politics of envy

I see we forgot about the panama papers as well.

No ghosto we really don’t and are you incapable of actually answering questions or just posting sound bites you think are ‘cool’

the gutter press really stop trotting out what you have read or heard and start thinking.

Thatcher was clearly before you were born and probably Blaire too.

Brexit happened because both main parties are run by London centric wealthy posh twats who didn’t bother to listen to the rest of the country on their immigration concerns or any concerns

It was a back lash.

You sound young and posh too and that’s fine but don’t pretend you know understand or care a flying fuck about the poor or disabled or working clsss/middle class if you are supporting Corbyn. It’s nonsense.

The punitive taxes labour invented lead to the creation of tax havens - perhaps if more sensible policies had been enacted the tax havens would have not flourished ....

I see we forgot about the panama papers as well

Not at all; the disgraceful situation this revealed is exactly why some of us want a clampdown on tax avoidance as well

It really isn't necessary to assume things about an entire group because of the wrongdoing of some ... or would you like me to list a selection of the many financial scandals Labour have also been involved in?