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Continuing the discussion around instagram influencers and ethics

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bawbles · 17/06/2018 20:40

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Sofialemon · 11/07/2018 10:30

@PeppaP

I've no idea what's gone on with Cash & Clemmie so can't really comment. All I know is that I find Cash's stories featuring her daughter very wrong.

PeppaP · 11/07/2018 10:34

I've no idea what's gone on with Cash & Clemmie so can't really comment.

Hasn't stopped you so far.

Fluffyrainbows · 11/07/2018 10:34

What kind of person looks at who views their stories? Mrs Meldrum the other day, commented that she saw the person who'd unfollowed but then looked at her stories. I mean for goodness sake how narcissistic is instagram. Have they nothing better to do than check who's watched them. And I realise that commenting on a thread about this is almost as ridiculous but I am expecting a baby and it's bloody hot out there.
Forcall that's been said about mod I really couldn't give less of a stuff who's stories she watches and from personal experience my phone watches all stories if left running, so I might watch Hugh bonneville, then put my phone down and it's run through every bloody boring story of people running, drinking etc etc doesn't mean I've sat there and watched them all. Could be her kids scrolling through her phone. Mine like to watch YouTube but can easily end up on stories.

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Fluffyrainbows · 11/07/2018 10:39

It's neither here nor there how horrid you find them as people if you are discussing the ethics of being an influencer and using and selling your kids. I would assume you would have to be a certain type of person to do that.

PeppaP · 11/07/2018 10:43

It's dubious ethics that make these people horrid so it's definitely well worth discussing fluffy

HRHCatherinePrincessofWales · 11/07/2018 10:43

Seeing those pics of other mums with less than perfect figures looking healthy and happy with their children was lovely. It made me realise no one gives a shit what you look like having while on holiday having fun with your kids. I don't care if they were promoting a brand or being paid. The photo's were lovely

I don’t disagree. But that wasn’t my point. You said having your mum post bikini pics of herself to upwards of half a million people wouldn’t make bullying more likely. I assert that it would. I guess time will tell who’s right.

When I said TMI, I was referring to myself. If I posted pics of myself in a bikini on my own social media I’m sure my followers would think it was TMI. But that’s because I wouldn’t look that good in a bikini.

It’s almost like you’re deliberately misinterpreting what I’m saying to twist the agenda.

And all these spurious arguments you’re coming out with:

Parents’ kids, parents’ rules.
Kids at school will bully anyone about anything.
The ASA is toothless so influencers should be able to act with impunity.
If people fall for the very sophisticated and targeted advertising tactics and behave in the way it’s designed to make them behave then they’re stupid.

They all sound like the sort of reaching self-justifications the influencers must use to be able to keep looking at themselves in the mirror every day.

Fluffyrainbows · 11/07/2018 10:44

That's as maybe but if you post calling them horrid and thick all that will happen is the whole thread will be removed. Stick to facts.

allaboardtheallergybus · 11/07/2018 10:44

But Cash has been accusing all the Instamum gang of bullying her with what evidence? It does feel like she’s doing this for likes, isn’t she writing a book?

Yes I agree if you watch who watches your stories and unfollows you it’s pretty narcissistic as in this thread is a weird round about way.

Rachowl · 11/07/2018 10:46

Fluffyrainbows very true.
Although it does actually make a difference to me whether a person is kind or not. I imagine a person's ethics to be pretty awful based on whether they treat others well or not.
I suppose I was commenting more on other comments on this post than the topic up for discussion.

Fluffyrainbows · 11/07/2018 10:47

No one giving a shit about what you look like on the beach with your kids is not the same as sharing for attention a photo in a swimmer my costume with your kids to hundreds of thousands of people. It's a private family photo.

Furfugsache · 11/07/2018 10:49

Cash didn’t name any names as far as I can remember. Why on earth would MOD feel it was directed specifically at her? 🤔

How is this thread narcissistic?

allaboardtheallergybus · 11/07/2018 10:50

I actually really liked then unmumsymums post in her bikini she was saying that not everyone feels body positive and that’s ok. I think these post (whether they’re ads or not) are much more empowering than seeing women snap back to their post baby size posing on the beach/against walls

allaboardtheallergybus · 11/07/2018 10:52

She deleted those stories but originally named MoD, Clemmie t, Anna, Steph ‘that Zoe one’

PeppaP · 11/07/2018 10:58

I'm glad Cash named names, it can get pretty vague without.

A couple of IGers have said MP isn't as wide eyed and receptive as she makes out. Her following of everyone who 'spoke out' over the whole MOD thing whilst remaining good friends with her raised a flag for me. Seems a bit 'keeping the enemy' close but that's just speculation, she comes across really well, but who really knows?

Furfugsache · 11/07/2018 10:59

Well that’s obviously how they made her feel then. You can’t discount her feelings unless you have some insight you’d like to share with us Allergy about how her feelings are not valid?

kittykarate · 11/07/2018 11:07

Did anyone see this blog post last month about how people boost their Instagram standings...
behindthequest.com/instagram-frauds-fake-influencers/

allaboardtheallergybus · 11/07/2018 11:09

I’m not saying her behaviour isn’t validated I just don’t understand why someone would make such claims without even giving evidence? She’s hardly one to hold back going by her other storie is she? I also can’t see why that lot of Instamums would follow/engage with Cash they’re very very different. Anyway like Peppa said we don’t really know the truth behind what goes on in any of this do we?

kirinm · 11/07/2018 11:10

I have no idea who 'cash' is.

One thing I'm noticing more and more of is what amounts to basically asking for freebies. I've seen it with:

Tents, saltwater sandals for kids, bikes, car seats, cars! Holidays, free party stuff, free party food. It's bloody endemic.

Furfugsache · 11/07/2018 11:13

I think they follow for various reasons, some because they see Cash has some very interesting and refreshingly ad free content on her feed. Others because they are control freaks that want to keep things in line.

PeppaP · 11/07/2018 11:15

I agree @kirinm , although some IGers such as weeslice and cigarettesandcalpol have talked about 'trying to engage brands' but would rather not in this particular instance of foot peel/bras/whatever as 'we' wouldn't trust sponsored results. Which is great if it's genuine.

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HRHCatherinePrincessofWales · 11/07/2018 11:42

Wow. Just checked out Cashcarraway's feed. There is some really powerful stuff there. For me, that's what social media is for, to tell those stories that wouldn't have a platform otherwise.

Looks like she's got much more interesting things to say than, 'swipe up for details of the children's Liberty print rompers'.

Yes, the stories with her daughter talking about politicians are slightly unusual. But Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg are all terrible, terrible people, so, I struggle to get that worked up about it... (And I was once trying to explain to my daughter why doctors and nurses were protesting to be paid more because the lady in charge of our country won't give them any more money and my daughter said, 'why don't they just kill her then mummy'. Which was a bit out of left field scary, but, you know, kids!)

PeppaP · 11/07/2018 11:52

Cash now seems to think it's MOD on this thread. But she won't read the thread, just going on what people have told her...

Sofialemon · 11/07/2018 11:54

@HRHCatherinePrincessofWales

It doesn't surprise me that you like Cash's insta account and just find the stories featuring her daughter "unusual". I take it you don't feel they could lead to her being bullied?

Having listened to a few of her stories I'm actually skeptical how true they are. I also found the one slating various Tory supporters pretty awful. She states that Kirsty Allsop "hates the disabled" amongst other things. Where the hell has she got that from?