To think that some women go on and on about the obesity crisis and weight

[Tobythecat]

Just to be smug about their healthy eating and slimness?

I have noticed it on here a lot and real life, even a good friend of mine posted something on facebook about it and i was disappointed with her for being so judgemental.

People who fat shame and go on about the obesity crisis and talk about overweight peoples eating habits dont seem to think that these individuals likely have binge eating disorders and bullimia.

I have had a binge eating problem since i was a child and used to starve myself. Im overweight and trying to lose it but im sick of some smug women who try to make people like me ashamed of our weight issues.

A good friend of mine just posted about a quote from the bible about obesity and gluttony. A lot of her friends are carrying weight and i just felt like she posted it to feel smug and superior. Shes always going on about how she used to make herself sick and talks about how she only eats salad and healthy stuff, whilst offering me a biscuit.

AIBU to think that a lot of women do this as a way to feel superior?

Boring cunts. But also why post that you are having beans on toast when you know that the nuts are going to give you a sugar and fat analysis? Who really cares? We are at Pizza Hut now but I don't give a shit what the joyless twats would offer as an alternative. We like pizza and dont need to diet thanks. There is an army of very sad, unfulfilled middle aged housewives who don't have any sort of a life. I am offshore a lot so when I'm home we go out for crap sometimes. The joy outweighs the fat.

cleofatra what do you mean you are "under the impression that they didn't take activity levels into account"?

Why did you not take a few minutes to actually read the link, if not the paper itself?

It says crystal clear on the NHS review that they DID take fitness and activity levels into account.

"The researchers looked at the relationship between body measures and adverse cardiovascular outcomes such as heart attacks and stroke, taking account of various other things that could influence this, such as:

smoking
alcohol
physical activity
socioeconomic status
diagnosis of diabetes or high blood pressure
After excluding people with cardiovascular disease, they tracked 296,535 people for 5 years. All were of white European descent and 58% were women."

YABU. I don't think most people are taking this shit seriously enough. On a recent holiday, I would guess that more than 70% of the UK people staying at our French campsite were obese. Whole families with massive rolls of fat, trouble walking and running and eating crap. I was really shocked.

This can't be OK. As an adult, if you want to eat yourself to death, then that's your choice. But the kids that I saw have been started on a life time of poor health and it has to be challenged. I think that the word fatshaming can be used to silence a debate that really needs to be had.

Also the limitations included self-reporting their health conditions, missing data and a bias towards one professional group.

ah Gorgon I have just realised I am discussing a separate paper.

Have been thinking recently that health is the new status. Nowadays no-one is impressed by flash cars, designer gear and jewellery, people have realised that having more or less stuff is no reflection on you as a person.

So instead, we judge people by health and fitness. Better you = thinner you, more active you. Nowhere does anyone say "Better you = kinder you" or "More thoughtful you". And why are all the people worrying about the obesity crisis only focused on one aspect of "health"? Would you judge someone for having cervical cancer? Sports injury? Or any other "self-inflicted" medical condition that affects health? If you would, you're despicable. If you wouldn't, why is that OK and not being overweight?

How does my waist size affect YOU? Why does my health affect YOU? Don't pretend you are concerned for my health, you don't know me. Come out and admit that you don't like fat people and you're glad you don't look like that. I'd respect that honesty more than this arbitrary stick to beat people with to make yourself feel better.

That's just needlessly rude, isn't it?

Bit rude possibly. Needlessly? Hmmm.

Is there a slight chance you've been a bit rude, with all your 9/10 when you see someone eating "unhealthy" food they're overweight? Was this a scientific study or, you know, thinly veiled scorn for people who eat things you don't allow yourself?

And yes, you do seem angry. It's not my fault you can't moderate your intake or that you care so much about being super slim.

We all have our crosses to bear. Best advice is mind your own business.

Thanks Animal. Im having carrot cake.

I'm not sure why quoting the NHS with such enthusiasm is so exciting. It's the worst system in the developed world. NICE deprive people of treatment to benefit the masses by saving money. You women are seriously deluded.

YANBU at all.
I don't notice the smugness IRL but on here...my God the "we have lost sight of what a healthy weight looks like" brigade are out in force. The glee with which theye express their "concern" gives them away.
It's true what a few pp said about certain foods being addictive, and we are up against a MASSIVE industry devoted to hooking as many of us as possible. It's no wonder so many people lose the battle and gain weight.
In my experience some people don't actually like eating that much (so can take it or leave it), some have the ability to naturally regulate very well (excercise helps with this) and some have a will of steel. They are lucky not morally superior.
The thing is its not an accident that mass industrialisation of food manufacturing kicked off a crisis of obesity. The documentary The Men Who Made Us Fat is a pretty good explanation of what went wrong in terms of the obesity crisis.
Of course we need to be healthier as a nation, but the "I'm stuffed on a thimble of quinoa, what's wrong with these fatties?" threads are not about concern they are about asserting their superiority.
I have been slim-size 8-and I smoked and drank a lot, so was not healthy. Now I'm not slim, but I don't smoke or eat junk food and I do dance classes. I just eat a bit too much (I actually like food)and I passed 40 It happens.
What would not help me to lose weight is still slim people being terribly worried about my lack of self control while having a lovely time being horrified by the size of my arse!

@JJS888 If you'd bothered to take ten seconds to read my post or the link, you would have seen that it is talking about a peer-reviewed, large-scale scientific study.

Please take your misogyny and your NHS-bashing conspiracy theories elsewhere.

@cleofatra I recommend reading the links in the article, it's a very large study and relies on objective rather than self-reported measurements.

Mmmm carrot cake...

@AnxiousPeg Junk food is designed to make it very difficult to moderate your intake (there is a good book on this but I can't remember the name off the top of my head -essentially junk food manufacturers deliberately 'hack' our natural systems for judging appetite and fullness).

So it's you who is unusual in being able to successfully eat junk food in moderation. Very lucky for you, but most people find it extremely difficult, as it's designed that way.

And no, I don't think it's rude to report what I've observed - I don't see slim people walking along the road eating subway sandwiches, sweets, crisps, etc.

The reality is we live in an obesogenic culture, obesity rates are rocketing, and for most of us, it does take a conscious, deliberate effort not to gain weight in this environment .

Gorgon I know the study well and there were still self-reported measures .

cleofatra the NHS review says the opposite. It's not enough for you to just assert that you "know the study well" (you didn't even know which one I meant in your previous post). You need actual references if you're going to deny black and white factual statements from reliable sources.

I assumed your link was the Nurses study that came out just after the one you posted but i do know the Biobank study and have read the full paper rather than just the NHS choices review.

I think the people who talk a lot about healthy eating and slimness are often those have been overweight in the past or just really struggle to stay a reasonable weight. They are similar to ex smokers. They manage to reform/kick the habit so they look down a bit on those who haven't.
I have always been slim, without giving it much thought so I don't really see it as a "virtue". I just don't love food that much.

It's the hidden stuff that's so nasty. Who would imagine that labels would lie to us? They do, repeatedly, all the time. I'm shocked at how many so called "health food bars" are actually higher in calories, fat and sugar than a mars bar. We've got conflicting messages being throw at us all the time. No wonder a lot of us are feeling overwhelmed. Who do you believe, now?
Do you go with the "sugar is evil" brigade and fry your foods in "healthy" coconut oil?
Wait...coconut oil is a saturated fat....the low fat brigade come along and slap us round the chops for even considering allowing that artery-plugging substance into our bodies.
I'll have a diet yogurt. Nobody can slap me for that. Oh stuff it, it's full of artificial sweeteners and THEY'RE bad for me too.
Bread. I'll have a nice slice of wholemeal bread. That'll be good for me.
CARBS!! CARBS!!! shriek the Carb police. "No wonder you're a fat cunt, you're eating CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBS!!!!!!"
Jeezus. Okay, I'll have a salad.
"You stupid mare, you'll get food poisoning from that!!! Did you wash it in Milton first??? You idiot, you're going to DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

Etc etc etc.

And no, I don't think it's rude to report what I've observed - I don't see slim people walking along the road eating subway sandwiches, sweets, crisps, etc.

Of course they do. Slim people eat too! You probably just don't notice.

GorgonLondon The methods in the paper state
"Tobacco smoking (never smokers, current smokers, and ex-smokers), frequency of alcohol intake (daily, three to four times a week, once or twice a week, less frequently than once a month, or never), and diabetes diagnosed by a doctor (yes, no) were self-reported. Townsend quintiles (measure of deprivation based on four census variables; unemployment, non-car ownership, non-house ownership, and household overcrowding) and educational qualifications (higher degree, any school degree, vocational qualifications such as Higher National Certificate or Higher National Diploma, other qualifications, or none of the above) were used as measures of socioeconomic status. Moderate to vigorous physical activity (MVPA) was calculated in minutes per day (continuous) based on the answers in short version of the International Physical Activity Questionnaire and was truncated to 360 min per day (if reported higher)"

So, there was self-reporting via a touchscreen questionnaire

YANBU ... it's annoying ..! People have started tutting about wine and prosecco too .. show eaters annoy me too ... eating a bit of public pizza ... saying they are naturally skinny and then probably living on celery the rest of the time .. I'm a size 10 , I exercise ... but I don't lecture other people ... and quoting stuff out of the bible about obesity is downright weird !

One cannot be obese and healthy. The two are mutually exclusive. May be you can be fat and have stamina to exercise but the extra weight increases the risk of several cardiovascular diseases and cancers.

Increased risk does not mean you are unhealthy. It means you are at risk of becoming unhealthy.

I hung around "weight loss" forum on MN for a while. Occasionally it was supportive, but surprisingly angry, terse posts too berating people for not eating the right thing or whatever or following their favourite plan (especially the Low Carbers and IF dieters - some of it understandable evangelicism if something works, but alot of it just annoying bossiness).