AIBU to have done a little happy dance when I read this.

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I realise that loads of people will absolutely hate this, but I had a huge sigh of relief when I read this. Well done Justine!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/13/mumsnet-transgender-row-feminism-tougher-forum-rules

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/13/mumsnet-transgender-row-feminism-tougher-forum-rules

Sorry, clicky link.

I've just read that too. And thought I'm away for ONE day from Mumsnet and i have to read news about it in the paper.

So bang goes discussion then.

I don’t think it discussion over. It’s just the discussion without the hate.

Depends. YANBU if we can still say that we don't want penises in the changing room, YABU if we now have to pretend that a woman is anyone who claims to be a woman.

It's mainly preventing the use of derogatory terms and insults which seems fair enough to me. At least it's balanced and both sides are being equally 'censored'

It's offering the respect which is wanted whilst also pointing out that that pendulum swings both ways.

Yes, unless you are three years old, doing “a little happy dance” is weird and therefore unreasonable.

I take happy moments when I get them and a little dance is my chosen form of expression. I’m not sorry if it offends you.

Who said I was offended?

Ok my mistake. I’m not sorry you find it unreasonable or weird.

So why did you ask if you were unreasonable to “do a little happy dance”?

Hmmm, the note from HQ was very open to interpretation. And I seriously take exception to @justine Roberts saying ‘a significant minority of our users feel strongly about womens rights. Contrary to what the anti trans crowd would have you think, you can feel very strongly about women’s rights and support trans rights, even to the level of self ID. What Justine said was not just an oxymoron but very misleading. The anti trans crowd do NOT have exclusivity on the topic of women’s rights.

Oh we’re arguing over semantics. I didn’t get that, I’m so thick. Congratulations.

If people don't like the site and the people on it why don't they just bugger off?

So sick of attempts to silence women and ashamed that Justine has buckled.

Good news. The next few days will be full of protests though.

StepBackNow that could be said if both sides of the argument though couldn’t it?

Well no actually, that can't really be said of both sides. I've been abused and threatened on Twitter for suggesting a 3rd space would be the best compromise.

I've been called a cunt, TERF scum, told I should be raped, that my daughter should be raped by trans activitst and members of their cult. Oh and that I am literally responsive for many deaths of trans identifying children.

When I've disagreed with other feminists we've debated and discussed, sometimes robustly but without the death and rape threats.

I'm tired of being called transphobic for believing in biology. I'm tired of being told it's transphobic for saying trans men/women are trans. And perhaps they'd be better learning to be comfortable in their own skin rather than attempting to co-opt their chosen gender. That a 3rd gender neutral space is needed.

What happened to the intern after?

It started as a very one sided article, but at least mentioned Man Friday. The last few lines in the article did make me laugh, though.

However, the proposed policy to also moderate terms such as cisgender [identifying with the gender one has at birth] show that the forums may not be set up to enable balanced discussion on gender identity.

Celebrating that Mumsnet have put out a list of ‘inappropriate’ words, but then whining that they can’t say ‘cis’. Boo hoo 😭 we’re not allowed to insult women by calling them cis. At least others can see how Mumsnet has been bullied by the TRAs. Plus it will direct more women our way, which will give them the strength to acknowledge that men can’t become women, so there’s always a positive. 👍🏻

well, hey. It's about time.

I am disgusted. I am not and never have been bigoted towards anyone who want to live their life their way. But when they want their values to impact on others then I do have an issue. A fundamental difference between freedom of speech in the uk vs eg the us is that in the uk there has always been a need implicit or explicit to respect society as a whole. A man who self ids as female is not a woman, is not female, yet this position that self iding men are taking is all about male rights. It is parallel to domestic abuse. Where men believe they have a right to tell women what to do , what to say and how to behave. I will never shut up ever about how wrong this is. I am not phobic about trans people. If someone has gone on that full or part journey of transition and truly wants to live as the other gender then I have full respect.

Ah well... Bring on the peni who have a right to expose themselves in women's changing rooms then. This won't end well... Hope my 16 year old dd doesn't come across some pervert in the guise of a 'transwoman' in a female chain store anytime soon.

Why do transwomen demand the right to access female changing rooms, as opposed to demanding neutral gender changing rooms, again? Remind me... On second thoughts don't bother... There will be a vast increase in online shopping.....Nobody in their their right mind will encourage their teenage daughters to strip off in changing rooms where peni are welcome!

About bloody time!!! The relentless trans bollocks has been keeping me away, it’s insidious.

Our words, and by extension our thoughts, are being policed.

This is being done to protect men's feelings, which are seen to be more important then women's rights to discuss matters that affect their safety and dignity.

YABU to do a happy dance about that.