Abortion ...genuinely interested if you are Pro life.....

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I was undecided, not sure. Then I read this article with example ( pro-choice article) of how to tell if society really does/ or should/ value the life of an embryo the same as an adult or child.

It said imagine you are in a burning building and gave to get out . Next to you is a 2 year old toddler and a small fridge in which 5 embryos or test tube babies post-conception are stored. Building could be an IVF clinic. You can climb out the window of the building but only time to save either the toddler or save the small fridge with embryos in.

Which do you save and which more important?? Those embryos would be massively wanted by some couple going through ivf, could be their last chance at parenthood. Which is more important for you to save.

It made me think. I think the unborn baby does have some rights but a born living child.....Not sure you can say they are equal. How many people would save the fridge with more potential living people in it and leave the 2 year old. I know its hyperthetical but am genuinely interested in others views.

I am pro choice. There is no reason for me to have an abortion other than for medical reasons or if I was (god forbid) raped, but I respect the choice of other women and am happy that the choice is there for them.

I am currently 20 weeks pregnant and have a 3 and 4 year old. As PP said, I would rather someone saved my children's life than mine.

Not that this scenario would ever happen but I would save my other children over my unborn baby too, it wouldn't even be a difficult decision. This is a very much wanted pregnancy but my other children remain a priority until he is born.

I am pro life but would never be horrible or be judgemental to someone who made a choice at a given time.
Saying that I think that is a silly question in the sense that pro lifers aren't saying a embryo is more important than a 2 yr old but in my opinion we all started as a cell that rapidly divided. I had an ectopic that ruptured at 6 weeks and I struggled with MH after. Lots of people said at least it was only 6 weeks ! And I hated it because i felt like that was my baby that I've lost and I couldn't dehumanise the baby as my first daughter started out the same

I don't understand all the people on here saying I'm pro-life but I wouldn't ban abortions. You are pro-choice. That's what pro-choice means, that personally, you may not feel you could have an abortion but that other people should have the right to choose

This. Pro life means you are against abortion for everybody, not just for yourself.

SumAndSubstance

'pro-lifers' don't want to force a woman to give birth, they want to prevent anyone from killing a foetus, which they believe to already be alive.
So you want to prevent a foetus 'dying' by forcing a woman to give birth? So would you force a woman to donate a kidney to prevent an actual living person from dying? They are the same choice.

I assume you are adamantly against the death penalty?

What would you do with a pregnant woman who does not want to have a child, would you lock them up in prison for nine months and make them give birth in handcuffs?

Would you ban them for smoking or drinking in case it aborted the embryo?

Is there then a forced adoption, or you do force a woman to bring up a child they dont want?

How much of your money/time will you contribute to raise the child that isn't wanted by the mother?

I'm very much Pro-whatever-the-hell-you-want-but-don't-try-to-force-it-on-anyone-who-does-not-feel-exactly-like-you.

It is okay to have a differing opinion to other people and everyone's circumstances are also different...but why does a debate like this always come down to nasty bullshit comments?

If a woman decides to terminate, for any reason, it is no one business but hers. Same goes for those who choose to continue a pregnancy.

Just my 2 cents :)

I am 'pro life' in the sense that I believe that once an unborn child gets to the stage where it could live outside the womb, it should get legal protection from that point. abortions should not be permitted up to 40 weeks, which they currently are for disability. If an abortion is performed at this stage the medical team have to actually kill a human being that could live.
Your scenario is not really relevant. An embryo in a fridge is not growing into a baby.

For ME I wouldn’t abort unless very extreme circs like rape. As far as what others do, I am ‘for’ whatever the woman needs to do.

I am pro life. I believe that an embryo is alive as soon as they are conceived. Like a pp has said, for me the debate is whether to kill a living yet unborn person, or to cause suffering and distress to a living, born adult by allowing the unborn child to remain. Both are unpleasant and awful choices, and both parties have rights, but on balance in my view the unborn child Is completely defenceless and their protection should be prioritised. I think we should do more to support people with unwanted pregnancies and all the sociodemographic reasons for them. I agree with the pp who said it is unfortunate that people can't accept that some have different viewpoints about this. I don't think people who have abortions are terrible, immoral people, far from it, I respect them whilst I disagree with their choice. I am sure that the vast majority make the decision based on what they feel is the best interests of the unborn child, i.e. not being unwanted or the impact of life with disabilities. But, in my view, they are making decisions based upon very minimal scientific evidence that this unborn being does not have a mind, can't feel pain etc. These are assumptions that there is no definitive evidence for, but they are now popular overriding narratives in the 'debate'.

@Smellyjo what is your opinion on emergency contraception?

@mirime, that's a good question- I've never given that a lot of specific thought. I do believe that a foetus is alive soon after conception so if it results in a fertilised egg being unable to implant, then it's possible that taking it is ending a life. But also the MAP works to prevent an egg being released or being fertilised so in many instances that wouldn't be the case. It feels like a different situation- taking it to prevent pregnancy rather than end it, but for some this is the intention obviously.

Interesting I would save child who had faculties to know what's happening to it.

My own argument is not same though.

I do belive life begins at conception... I heard heartbeat very early.

But I still believe woman's right trumps it.

Its wrong to kill a baby no matter how much distress bringing up the child might cause to the mother. That becomes immediate the second the baby leaves the womb and noone would argue with that.

But the baby exists long before the baby has left the womb. So the question is when does it become acceptable to take a life and when do we classify life as begun?

Now I do absolutely believe that a woman has the right to choose and the rise of backstreet abortions would be a horrific side effect of banning abortions entirely. But I do also believe 10 weeks should be the absolute abortion limit for all but disabilities that become apparent later in pregnancy.

If a heart beat defines life, you are probably already stopping a heart beat by this point and with modern natal technology we do absolutely know this is what we are doing.

A woman should have the choice to do what she wishes with her own body.

What everyone/anyone else would do in the same situation is irrelevant.

Pro choice is pro choice.

I don’t see it as a right to life as it is a right for a parent to decide and do what is best for her and the choice to abort should be given.

I'm pro-abortion, pro-choice, pro-contraception and pro-women's rights to stay alive during pregnancy, and against religious and ideological interference in the state's handling of said women's rights.

And I'm pro-welfare rights, and pro-property, -inheritence and -pension rights for women and children. Look at the world's resources. Men take, woman & children lose.

I’m unfashionably pro life. I think abortion should be avoided where possible, particularly past the point where the fetus can feel pain.

But I don’t think that I should have the option to enforce my morality on other women. And the alternative would be backstreet abortions, so it’s best that they take place safely and legally in hospitals

@ApplesPears6712 why resurrect a zombie thread?? Did you go searching for ‘pro life, pro choice’ threads to add your two cents?

I'm very pro choice. No one should be forced to continue a pregnancy or give birth, no one should be forced to live if they are in constant untreatable pain/facing an awful terminal illness etc and they don't want to have to keep going. I just don't understand why we can't respect people's wishes over their own bodies.

Sorry didn't realise it was a zombie.

Zombie thread but interested in @ApplesPears6712 use of the word ‘women’....what about young girls? Children that are 10, 11, 12 etc. who were raped?

Back to the original question……
Even if those were my embryos and my last chance of having children I would still save the child that needed me to.

This example has nothing, I mean nothing, to do with abortion.
The embryos is a fridge are not implanted and happily growing in a womb. They are not alive.

Ah I see
Resurrected.

My point still stands though