To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

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Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

Scatter your graph is a thing of visual splendour, here is another

Jesus.

Some of you need to read a fucking history book.

My aunts/uncles remember pre WW2.

I remember the 70s pre EU.

Those of you pining for those Sunlit uplands are in for a shock.

And another ….

Well they were the 70s . I don't think Its relevant to be saying oh we were so poor in the 70s before the EU seems as the world has drastically changed since then.

Frumpety, I think we will leave, we've a few more months left yet to get a deal. Here's praying for a Good one

Mrsreynolds - you are equating membership of the eu with rising living standards as if it’s an on/off choice

I would say there are lots of other reasons why living standards - across the ‘first world’ have risen. I wonder why countries like Australia and the usa have a similar trend yet they don’t need to be a member of a trading bloc with political ambitions/ delusions to do so

Clearly some of you have never been to some of the fringe countries in the EU. Travel to Poland, Slovakia, etc and you will see different standards. I have been on building sites in Italy and not seen any signs of PPE not to mention dangerous practices, especially scaffold construction.

Mind you, I drove on a lovely motorway in Poland, paid for by EU money. No potholes and hardly any other cars either.

I think there are a few countries who are waiting to see how we get on before they will also consider leaving. The EU want to make us suffer as a deterrent to others. It is going to be interesting to see how things develop in Italy over the next few months. Also Hungary are facing a massive "fine" for not taking their "quota" of migrants.

Absolutely - the immovable position of the eu is as much about ‘pour encourager les autres’ in terms of other wavering eu member states as it is interest in a Brexit deal

How cheerleaders on this site cannot describe recent eu behaviour as bullying/ hectoring and maintain a straight face while doing so baffles me.

Apparently selling our economy and national self respect to the eu isn’t just ok, it’s infinitely the ‘only way’

@scatterolight.
Yes Eastern European economies grow, so we export to them, creating jobs here etc OR we leave them languishing under the influence of Russia and Putin, as he rebuilds a new Soviet union, what would you prefer?
eg JLR are moving production of Discovery's to Czech, freeing up capacity here to build the next generation of electric hybrid cars, with eastern europe a growing market in which to sell them.... they can only do that because of the funds poured in by richer countries which have upskilled their workforce..... win win.

"How cheerleaders on this site cannot describe recent eu behaviour as bullying/ hectoring and maintain a straight face while doing so baffles me."

It's not the bloody Fourth Form at St Clare's" you know!

Bullying = holding us to our agreed and legally binding duties after invoking A50 you mean?

Oh and hopefully we won't have to endure Eurovision anymore.

With a bit of luck, UK teams will be banned from the Champions League too, so a bit less soccer on telly.

Jasjas

The eu is not the only geopolitical check on Russia - have you perhaps heard of something called nato? An organisation that, unlike the eu), possesses a credible conventional and nuclear military capability? I know the eu would dearly love to have its own military (in line with its political ambitions) but it can’t afford it so takes security (underwritten and paid for by the USA you might note) from nato instead

Bertrand Russel - so are we not being used by the eu as an example to other eu nation states of what happens to those wishing to get off the bus? Perhaps you would answer the question instead of slinging infantile one liners, amusing as they are...

Gatecrasher61 no one is saying all countries apply all the rules exactly the same. However, many countries apply some of the rules more stringently than the U.K.. Your point was a sweeping 'no one applies the rules as well as the U.K.'. And that simply isn't true.

Some are good at applying some rules and not others. It depends on the law and the country. So a sweeping assertion that the U.K. is hampered by the EU in all areas is simply incorrect.

The EU attempts to level the playing field and make things safer and fairer, it doesn't always work but it is a reasonable aim.

Yep and who is the leading country in NATO? The US. Hmmmmmmmmmm

I don't think the US is a secure and credible ally at the moment. Ask the Canadians how they would feel about US guaranteed security. Fortunately they don't need it.

Australia is part of APEC and the Cairns group, both trading blocs Heyduggee .

4000 jobs going at Rolls Royce. Looking forward to this Brexit utopia already.

Describing the behaviour of the EU as "bullying and hectoring" is ridiculous.

Can you give as an example of this? Or is it really that the UK is asking for a special deal, when it was clear before the leave vote that it wouldn't be available.

Can we have examples of bullying and hectoring?

Oh and talking of living standards, yes the vary in some areas of the EU, but standards in Poland seem to be fairly equivalent to most of the UK. There are some areas of Eastern Europe with poverty, but then there are in the UK too.

Poland has an HDI rating of 0.855 whilst the UK has 0.909, there isn't really much difference.

Interesting little map showing GDP per capita

GhostofFrankGrimes I hardly think Rolls-Royce is a Brexit issue, they have been losing money hand over fist for years, 4.6 billion last year, it’s raining here, it’s that caused by Brexit as well?

You are in denial user. Manufacturing/car industry in the UK is going to be severely damaged by Brexit. The boss of Rolls Royce has said this, the CBI has said this.

All this nonsense about EU bulling us to stop other countries leaving, there are only 8 net contributors, why would any other country want to leave that’s being given money, there playing hard ball like any good negotiator would do

Rolls-Royce mulls European move as Brexit deal worries grow

Rolls-Royce is preparing to relocate the “signing off” of British-made airliner engines to Europe, as the EU aviation authority will hold the right to certify they are safe to fly in the event of a hard Brexit.

The iconic British brand - and leading member of the country’s £31.8bn-a-year aerospace sector - is preparing the contingency plan to protect itself from huge disruption if negotiations stall over Britain leaving the EU.

Without such an arrangement, sources inside the company say that design, manufacturing and maintenance of Rolls-Royce engines built at its Derby base could grind to a halt if Britain suffers a “cliff-edge” departure from the EU.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/23/rolls-royce-mulls-european-move-brexit-deal-worries-grow/

why would any other country want to leave that’s being given money

Probably why some heavily EU funded areas in the UK have buyers remorse.

GhostofFrankGrimes not a case of denial, it’s just you try to blame any bad news on Brexit To try and back up your point, many business over the years have had to streamline as more robotics take over and the lower semi skilled wages abroad it’s been happening for years, the place I sometimes work at the work force has halved and the building they use is half empty, this has been happening for 20 years, they can do double the work with half the staff

GhostofFrankGrimes most of those areas voted Brexit, so no remorse