To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

[flibbertyfive]

Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

But I voted leave and I want a hard Brexit. Yes we will probably be personally worse off, but I am sure we will be happier. To me it is the difference between working as a faceless employee for a large organisation or working as a valued employee for a small company.

But your small company can no longer compete against the large ones, so you're about to lose your job and with that your ability to pay for your food and housing.

*well maybe lakielady we'll have to suck our stuff instead. Being a sucker of wine myself I can see the hardship for that one.

Page 32 - my preparation for Brexit will be to develop my wine-making abilities. I might also relearn how to make spirits with a pressure cooker and coiled tube (a 1950s Hungarian refugee originally showed me) to swap for wine.*

We only drink a couple of bottles of wine a week. What size of allotment would we need to grow enough grapes to make, say, 120 bottles a year? There are a fair few vineyards within a 10 mile radius of where we live, 2 of which have very good reputations. I reckon I could grow good grapes on an allotment.

Not so fussed about learning how to distil though. There are plenty of UK producers of gin, which is my favourite grog. I will do my best to make up for any loss in gin exports, post-Brexit.

I planted a grape vine in a pot in my garden last year. It died off over winter but new shoots appeared this spring, it's thriving and now has a shoot about fifteen inches tall. Anyone want to take a guess how long before I can start treading my own grapes to make my own wine?

Rules like health and safety stuff that cost money to implement and maintain

Do you mean the HnS rules that prevent people falling off scaffold? or farm workers getting caught up in machinery or the rules on safe driving hours? or air quality? or the rules that stop shit being pumped out onto our beaches? or the rules that give us safer cars, maybe you mean maternity rights ?
yep you must mean them and voted to rid business of their responsibilities so we can go back to the good ol days....

Oh anyone seen the latest that British firms will no longer be able to bid for any Galileo project work....
www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/13/eu-member-states-block-uks-access-to-galileo-satellite-programme-after-brexit

How many UK high paid/skilled and taxed jobs this will cost? not too mention the lose of another hi tech industry but we are a 3rd country, so will be treated as such, we helped draw up these rules lol!

I have no problem with the rules, but we are the only ones who implement them.

we helped draw up these rules lol!

There will be more examples of that kind of thing, I fear.

The truth is nobody knows how it will pan out - anybody who says they do is frankly lying IMO.

We live in interesting times.

No vines in my garden but enough rhubarb to supply the nation

Oh and hopefully we won't have to endure Eurovision anymore.

Yes, because Eurovision is all about the political and economic European Union

Gatecrasher61 you don't think the Germans and the Danes implement HnS rules? Then you are a fool.

Several European countries want to work to higher standards in relation to protecting their workforce. We are not the only ones to implement rules, that is DM nonsense and lies.

You should here how Germans/Skandinavians/other Europeans talk about British behaviour within the EU
"We are the only ones following the rules" - LMAO

hear

So embarrassing to make a typo like that when trying to make a pithy point....

This is funny, or tragic, or hypocritical take your pick.....

We have Lawson getting French residency, Farage's kids have German passports and now JRM is actively looking to set up business outside of the UK (Dublin)make sure he maintains access to the EU.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/13/tory-mp-jacob-rees-mogg-defends-setting-hedge-fund-branch-ireland/

But only the rich elites can do this remember, and there will be more hedging their hypocritical bets too when it becomes clearer what way the wind is blowing.

Most people in Europe think the UK has gone barking mad. It's not the 1960s anymore. There is this small thing called globalisation.

Pyramids,

Agreed, islands especially need to be non isolationist.

Anyway, place your bets, I'm betting a big fudge and BINO. I don't think hard Brexit can happen really all in one go anyway.

This thread is quite interesting.
I actually sense more support for leave her then remain which is a change from the usual.

JRM is actively looking to set up business outside of the UK (Dublin)make sure he maintains access to the EU.

Oh my god! The hypocrisy is unbelievable. There is the rumour that he is behind Brexit because of some eu law that will cost his business millions (off-shore tax or something). Can anyone enlighten me?

I have no problem with the rules, but we are the only ones who implement them

not what you said in your early post.
"Rules like health and safety stuff that cost money to implement and maintain"
Anyhow, your are completely wrong..... Machinery made (or used) any where in EU has to conform to certain HnS standards, EU firms bidding for work in UK have to confirm to eu rules, lorries transporting hazardous materials, have to conform also... its why the UK, in or out, will be following EU rules and regs for decades to come, IF we want any sort of trade relationship, the difference is we wont have any say in said rules.... well done.

@siwel123

I think it is Brexit fatigue and watching the hilarity of the Parliament shenanigans on all sides that has led to this pass.

I doubt any side has changed their view on how they voted or their reasons for so doing, but it seems to me that the Remain side is accepting fate. No one seems to be pushing for Remain in Parliament anyway (Tories), Labour is in total disarray, so that's a great start for something that began two years ago and still nothing agreed.

I have no problem with a good, solid Leave Agreement, if that ever happens!

What I dislike is the jingoistic utterances of some Leavers saying no pain, no gain, no immigrants, make Britain great again and so on.

That gain is in no way guaranteed is it? And we all have enough pain in our lives surely already.

Anyway, onwards and upwards. You can be absolutely sure that the elites will have themselves and their wealth well protected no matter what happens. It was always thus.

Gate you and every other older person n in my large Catholic family.

I remember debates with them, genuine debates because I didn't know which way to vote. My heart said brexit my head and my dh job and short term gain said remain.
It's much harder for younger people to understand life before the eu.

I agree with keyboard

Oh jas jas.

I think UK has followed rules because we belive on in them we are a world leading light on democracy and liberty.

Look at our pig farming, we want ti treat pigs well.

Look at eu rules on pig farming then Google how many counties follow it..

Rules are one thing but UK generally wants to follow good rules because we want to better.

There is no teeth or inforcement on eu rules...

Keyboard posters on here, people in rl, media have said how eu has made life worse, no one listened. Because of that they tactically voted for ukip.. Forced a referendum... And voted in droves.

If renainers wanted new vote why didn't they flock to lib de.s

siwel123 - funny, I sense more paid trolls than MN usually attracts. But the politics discussions are usually hidden in a backwater.

Anyone remember the Amazing Disappearing claig?

It's hardly new for MN Brexit discussions to attract paid trolls. That's all claig did. Pretty much as a full-time job. I'll give them credit, claig was quite entertaining. But s/he did fuck off literally the day of the referendum, job done.

I'm not falling for that again, and nor should you.

"If renainers wanted new vote why didn't they flock to lib de.s"

Because of FPTP.

No point wasting your vote.

Naïve people thought Corbyn would be less pro-Brexit than May.

Ha! Well, that taught them!