To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

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Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

We won't stop buying VWs and other cars because if there is a tariff on automobiles and there isn't frictionless movement of goods, most UK car production will move out of the UK.

well maybe lakielady we'll have to suck our stuff instead. Being a sucker of wine myself I can see the hardship for that one.

Page 32 - my preparation for Brexit will be to develop my wine-making abilities. I might also relearn how to make spirits with a pressure cooker and coiled tube (a 1950s Hungarian refugee originally showed me) to swap for wine.

Anyone else?

Lakielady if there had been other options on the ballot paper , there wasn't though , it said leave full stop. Not leave and join another custom union or any other variation. So hardest of possible Brexit and most damaging.

Any way to continue with the football theme , at the end of the day , these threads are very much sport for certain posters, it is always entertaining reading them and they always follow a script or appear to.

But Brexit isn't going to happen

Most leave voters will be very disappointed with whatever leave we do get.

However their lack of satisfaction will be blamed on the wicked EU not giving us what we want, as well as remainers talking it down.

If only you believe, then it will happen.

I very much doubt I will be disappointed, quite the contrary we are planning a brexit party if you would like to come

frumpety - yes it is 'sport' totally agree and, frankly I see nothing wrong with that at all. And this thread has been very 'sporting' in a good way I think.

I feel so sporting I hardly wish to mention the fault in non-binary ballot papers. Possibly creating an whole new meaning of votes and ballots might fit the 'schism' of Remain/Referendum/Leave=Bad - but Yes/No, put your X here or there has been generally accepted for a long time.

Non-binary voting may well have merit - it might possibly be the accepted voting method by 2057.

6.7 for trying though.

But Brexit isn't going to happen smile

You keep telling yourself that, whatever it takes to get through another day. Its obviously taking a little while to sink in but we will get there.

I don't have anti-EU feelings at all. Most of the anti-EU feelings I see on here and Twitter have a touch of paranoia to them which makes it difficult to take seriously. What they have which we current don't have is competence, discipline and togetherness. Our lack of all these worries me greatly.

Ironically, Brexit is likely to make the EU successful.

I get the anti austerity arguments and I'm definitely anti and we absolutely could have and should have forged a completely different economic policy. But we didn't because the conservatives like their austerity ideology.

You will be disappointed, because it won't be what you voted for.

Just "leaving" isn't enough, it has to make a difference, if not its BINO and you won nothing.

I didn't say I thought the sport of it was a bad thing at all Hatels , as I said I find it entertaining

Watching always up for a party , will there be a theme ? Bunting ? nibbles ?

As far as the sinking in thing goes , works both ways my lovely

topcat

It will be enough for me thanks.

frumpety We voted to leave, there isn't much more to it, we just need to get on and do it now.

"We voted to leave, there isn't much more to it, we just need to get on and do it now."

But that's it "we" didn't it was a marginal win.

The way "we" leave was never on the ballot, and people's reasons for wanting to leave were wide and varied.

The hijacking of the leave vote as an endorsement for the policies of a small cabal of very right wing, very neo liberal politicians has been insidious.

It isn't an easy job, most leave voters will be disappointed, if its enough for you to "leave" lets have BINO then.

I am prepared for a period of crisis around 29th March. Possibly long delays at customs, panic buying of some goods in shops, for example. No holiday plans around that time, am arranging for overseas suppliers at work to deliver early, for example. I think we will have some deal, though no confidence it will be a reasonable one.

As for those who think short-term pain is worth having, with the level of poverty and low income in this country, it is not. Most of those who voted for Brexit I think just want to have migration restricted, and so would be OK with a customs union, and remaining in some pan-European bodies (the Erasmus academic programme, European Space Agency, are two that come to mind).

Topcat1980* What is insidious is having to listen to you bang on about it all day.

topcat1980 Hopefully this thread has provided some kind of therapy so you can get over your bitterness, and you can move into a better space where you can open up to the world and accept new horizons and possibilities.

Banging on like you have all day today is going to lead to serious issues.

Sport and Wine makes for a very good thread indeed.

Where's the left=stay/right=leave come from? It's pretty well known Corbyn was a Leaver and May a Remain. A woman's work is never done is it? Whatever party was in power right now - led by whoever they would still be figure-heading a lot of dissent. I'm actually very happy with May - she seems to be rolling with the punches rather well. Of course hardly anyone will appreciate that now, I happen to as the last thing we need is some charismatic leader quoting sound bites.

I’m also confused by the remain = middle class leave = working class assumptions.

That is absolutely not the case where I live!

people are more worried about FOM than making trade deals

And therein lies a significant part of the problem.

Without exporting goods or providing services to other countries, our balance of payments will be at subterranean levels pdq.

One of the biggest sources of income from overseas is financial services. When we lose the banking "passport", a lot of that business will go, because we will no longer be able to provide financial services to EU countries.

Sport and Wine makes for a very good thread indeed.

No dissent here on that statement

watchingwithinterest

I am slightly insulted as I am only paid 30p a lie.

I am massively insulted, I only get 3p a lie

Have a read of this if you think all in the EU banking system is rosy:

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-14/get-a-grip-on-europe-s-bad-loan-problem-with-these-five-charts

This sums it up for me (from a BTL comment in one of the papers last week)

Police are investigating a gigantic fraud that appears to have caught out millions of British citizens. A spokesman explained that extensive coverage in the press and media seems to have actually suggested some level of legitimacy to the scam, when in fact the dodgy nature of the offer should have been obvious. The perpetrators have also recently been using a seemingly trustworthy middle-aged lady to front the campaign.

He added that the scam began some time before June 2016 and typically took the form of a press release or statement. Various names have been used, but the general theme is along the following lines:

Greetings to you my Friend,

I am Prince Nigel Alexander Jacob DePiffle Mugg-Porridge, a public school educated person of uncertain parentage. I have recently become aware of a substantial source of great wealth that is currently untapped and which in size far surpasses the combined wealth of the European, American and African continents.

Unfortunately the rules put in place by the EU prevent you and me from benefiting from this treasure; however I have devised a fool-proof scheme that will enable all of us to cash in.

In order that we all should reap this reward, I simply require that you set your mark, a ‘X’, in the correct place on a piece of paper that will be presented to you at the appropriate time.

You should be aware that the final details of the scheme must for the time being remain secret. You should also know that various people (that I term ‘Remainers’) will attempt to cast doubt on the scheme. You must at all times ignore these people and if they become persistent in their criticism, they are to be branded traitors, snowflakes or similar.

While I cannot tell you exactly by how much you will benefit, you can trust me, a multi-millionaire, when I tell you that after you sign up, the impact will be something you cannot ever have imagined and will change your life for ever.

In conclusion, I can assure you of my honesty and integrity.

Yours faithfully,

Prince Nigel Alexander Jacob DePiffle Mugg-Porridge

The police spokesman stated that as many as 17 million people may have been taken in by messages of this kind. The elderly have been particularly vulnerable, as they are from a generation that is more trusting. It would appear that the average family has already lost £2,000 as a result of the scam and it is feared that over time the impact on individuals and families will be devastating, with many people losing their jobs, homes and life savings. He said that victims were often reluctant to come forward and admit that they had been conned, while a small number of people have reacted to the revelation that the whole thing was based on pure fantasy by becoming ever more vocal, denying that they have been taken for fools and insisting that everyone else is to blame for their loss.

The EU is an ideology to some left wing people. They love the idea of massive government that can never really be changed (It stops the Tories, see?)

And many on the left are ideologically opposed to it (Benn and Foot were both Eurosceptic, Corbyn's personal views are opposed to the EU).

The EU is not an issue that divides neatly on left/right lines.

watchingwithinterest - "We voted to leave, there isn't much more to it, we just need to get on and do it now."

I am curious, what if not border solution can be found? Are you happy to loose Ireland, or are you happy to stay in customs?

Also, when you voted leave did you consider how much money will it cost to replicate all the services we got from the EU? Are you happy spending 10 billion to put a galileo substitute up in the sky instead of funding the NHS?

Havananana You could do a good one going the other way too - I’m very tempted

I voted for Brexit, I am old enough to remember life before the Common Market and going on holiday to France and Greece.

To be honest, there wasn't much to notice initially. The Tasmanian apple industry collapsed as we started buying French apples, then little by little things started to get more bureaucratic. Thing was, we appeared to be the only country sticking to the rules. Rules like health and safety stuff that cost money to implement and maintain.

But I voted leave and I want a hard Brexit. Yes we will probably be personally worse off, but I am sure we will be happier. To me it is the difference between working as a faceless employee for a large organisation or working as a valued employee for a small company.