To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

[flibbertyfive]

Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

Why Do we need another vote? I'm a bit confused.
If people voted to leave, then shouldnt we do that? Because if we get a second vote on whether we want to continue with brexit then can't the losing side just ask for another referendum on that decision and on and on and on.

I'm a civil servant and even I'm confused

"It’s intersting that both Italy & Malta point blank refused to take that boat full of migrants the other day - they basically said ‘fuck off we don’t you’"

It's interesting that a Brit is criticising Italy for its behaviour on this occasion when we have taken in 700,000 plus people since 2013. And the UK's response has been shameful to the migrant crisis.

But these were supposed to be the elections that brought down the EU, not in 5 years time.

Oh, were they, no one told me.

I suspect in 5 years time the anti EU feeling will have lessened somewhat when the UK situation is looked at

You mean people will be scared after seeing what was done to the UK? In my opinion, anit EU feeling is going to continue to be on the rise until the EU reforms itself.

And the UK's response has been shameful to the migrant crisis

Remember when it was called the refugee crisis? But that was stopped when it was obvious they weren't refugees anymore.

Sorry, meant to add:

That is the biggest flaw of the referendum. It asked voters to make a binary decision on something that had a multiplicity of answers. There was no "Leave the EU, the CU, the EEA etc, etc", option, there was no "Leave the EU but stay in the single market" option.

topcat for our land mass, maybe we have taken enough for now, the problems in the African countries that cause their people to migrate so dangerously is the problem - the EU hasn't solved African migration, in fact what Global problem has the EU resolved - zero, zilch et nada.

The EU is a problem, actually it's such a non-starter it should try and stop getting on the global stage and maybe individual nations can work together for that one purpose - resolving the problems that cause these dangerous migrations.

Productively helping these global problems is something I look forward to the UK being useful in post-Brexit. Of course we will all be dead and dying and waiting for the UN air-dropped Rice and the Red Cross will be dealing with our wounds caused by the riots in the street - so let's not bother and just hate ourselves instead.

People who voted to leave are simply uneducated idiots who think the daily mail is the bastion of truth and good taste. Ironically these people will be those most shafted by Brexit.

"Oh, were they, no one told me."

If you read back over social media, MN and lots of other places Le Pen and others were being cheered on by supporters of brexit. The domino effect was discussed a lot, Nexit, Frexit, and Italexit were all discussed.

"You mean people will be scared after seeing what was done to the UK?"

I don't think anything will be "done" to the UK. You are a leaver, you want to leave the EU, but that means you don't get as good a deal as EU membership.

All in all I reckon there will be a trade deal, but that there will be harder economic consequences for the UK than the EU.

The EU is punishing us narrative is ridiculous, the EU is doing exactly what it said it would, and that there is no cherry picking. The UK is wanting to cherry pick so that it gets a better deal than membership, its what Davis said he was going to go for remember "cake and eat it"?

Oh, let's be honest, the EU have to take a hard as stance as possible to deter any future countries from leaving the project.

"for our land mass, maybe we have taken enough for now,"

In 2016, the UK received applications for asylum for 39,000 individuals and granted 35% of those.

The UK ranked 17th in Europe in terms of asylum applications per head of the population.

So no I don't think we have done our bit, but the poster above calling out the Italian's who have accepted far more and dealt with the crisis was rather hypocritical.

Of course the decision to allow refugees is a national sovereign decision, wonder why Brexiteers don't like it.

@creambun. So every leave voter is uneducated then? And reads the daily mail?

I'm a remain voter but even I think that statement is stupid and rude.
It's like leave voters saying all Remainers are pompous twats that only care about their rich friends. Not true.

People who voted to leave are simply uneducated idiots who think the daily mail is the bastion of truth and good taste

Your contribution to the thread is welcomed and appreciated. Here, have a fucking biscuit.

I do have to point out that asylum can only be granted if we believe that the seeker would face danger and persecution back home.
And while there's lots of refugees fleeing there's also economic migrants who can't be allowed to claim asylum.

Topcat,

That's me done for the day, see you on the next thread, probably.

Hello creambun welcome to the debate - just letting you know this thread has managed to rise above the leaver=idiot, DM reader diatribe, so refreshing. But carry on and acclimatize - your thoughts are as welcome as any others.

Thought I'd step in for OP there - she's either revising her new language, down Lidl/Waitrose stocking up on beanz for the Acopopolis [new word] or, most likely, sorting out dinner and the kids.

"Oh, let's be honest, the EU have to take a hard as stance as possible to deter any future countries from leaving the project."

No the EU have a duty to protect the interests of its members, its in the interests of its members that a third country doesn't gain more benefits from its deal with the EU than EU countries.

The realities of leaving the EU were spelled out by the EU before the vote, you can't turn round now and say that they are punishing us. The EU have even said they want to have a trade deal that is mutually beneficial, this situation is caused by the UK negotiators, not the EU.

"And while there's lots of refugees fleeing there's also economic migrants who can't be allowed to claim asylum."

and that is for those approving asylum to judge, but, the UK has not taken anywhere near as many refugees as other UK countries, in fact we are 17th according to the Red Cross.

Agreed it is for those to judge and therefore that's why we have only accepted so many percent of applicants.

Do people really not know that the EU parliament is elected? So was Juncker elected. It's democratic.

As it conducts its elections by proportional representation, it's more democratic than our own general elections!

there was me thinking you were meant to claim asylum in the first safe country.

France must be a complete dump given how many I see whenever I have the misfortune to drive through Calais. These poor innocent people fleeing violence who start fires in the road and attack trucks so they can climb on our vehicles. Routinely they will be armed with knives.

Frankly - some people are deluded. These are working age males. Not kids. They are scum. I'd like our army to protect out borders against them.

"They are scum"

Nice.

You aren't so hot yourself love.

The UK had 33, 000 odd appliacations in 2016 and 2017, where as France had over 100,000 in both years.

Once we stop buying VW's then the Germans will realise just what a great consumer we were.

And what will we buy instead? Hondas? Toyotas?

We can't all afford Morgans, Range Rovers or Caterham 7s, and most Fords built in the UK use engines made in Spain. Bosch is a huge supplier of automotive electronics, Brembo, a massive brake manufacturer are (I think) a Spanish company.

Even if we had a thriving car industry, it would still be reliant on imported steel, since the UK steel industry dwindled into insignificance.

topcat I specifically used the term 'land-mass' and not as a % of population. Without googling for a random ref - the UK's land mass is not a contiguous one, but enlarged by our many, many islands - a lot are not uninhabitable. I also recall that many refugees once housed in the high-rises of Glasgow and other disadvantaged places weren't too happy about that.

Really the African Boatpeople are not a specific EU problem, but a Global problem that exists in many guises - Vietnamese Boatpeople and Australia, gang/drug war refugees from Mexico and Central America and the USA.

Have the UK knowingly let people drown in their local seas because they were illegal entering. I would hazard a never on that one - the people that watch and work our seas wouldn't allow it, it goes against their entire code. You would have to look for an historical incident to find an example of that.

Ooooh and British sparkling wine will replace French champagne.

Have you seen the price of Nyetimber lately? For the price they charge if you buy direct from the vineyard, I could pop down the road, go across on the ferry and pick up 4-6 bottles of the real stuff.