To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

[flibbertyfive]

Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

topcat1980 To your credit you have stopped using hyperbole which is a relief, and shows you can listen when you really want to.

I am sorry it is so disconcerting that the UK is surviving, might I even add blossoming even as we navigate the brexit process, I know it must hurt that the doom and despair did not happen and we are all chugging along quite happily but at some point you need to get on with your life.

user1471448556 - what kind of leader would look at a policy where someone was demanding easy access to retire to another Country and think yes we need to make that easier. So you build and accumulate all your wealth from this Country and then take it all and spend it in another at the end. Any leader with a backbone in any group setting should not want to make this easier.

"You do not know that. It's what Remainers want to happen so they can point their finger at those who voted Leave and say in a self satisfied and gloating voice "I told you so".

Not at all, but all of the available evidence points that way. Even when you use the Patrick Minford model, where we have no barriers to accessing EU markets, as well as mutually beneficial free trade with the rest of the world, the UK is worse off.

NB Under Minford's model virtually all of UK manufacturing is destroyed by cheaper international competition and the vast majority of agriculture.

"As for Nissan, the last thing I read about them was that they would be rolling out a new model this year which is good news for the North East"

Nissan have said that they will make an investment, which will extend the current production. However that is just using current capital stock, and as the UK is likely to still be in the CU for an extend period makes sense.

They have also cut 800 jobs recently and have raised questions about their long term presence if Brexit goes ahead. The extra costs incurred by being out of the SM/CU and the fact that the SM is its biggest sales area ( 85% of production goes there) is a major issue for the company.

It's an example where the needs of northern island might be different from the needs of the UK.

This is from yesterday, but no one corrected the poster to tell them that Northern Ireland (not island, but maybe a typo) is part of the UK. This was repeated, so it wasn't a mistake not saying 'rest of the UK'.

It will not do for a country not to be broken by leaving the EU.

Try again.

fullfact.org/economy/uk-economy-relegation-zone/

£I am sorry it is so disconcerting that the UK is surviving, might I even add blossoming even as we navigate the brexit process."

Your analysis is flawed and uses the data incorrectly.

Try again

Frank, you're missing the entire point of the post made, I don't think you even remotely understood it. Not for the first time I may add.

user1471448556 What are magic powers about controlling immigration, Donte say the 3 month rule, it’s an EU directive that you must pay EU citizens inline with your own,

Indeed. Would you be kind enough to be honest with me and tell me why it's in the EU's interest to force a hard Brexit by not being reasonable to separation terms

Would any Remainer be kind enough to answer my question? A Hard Brexit isn't in anyone's interest.

topcat1980

This is a waste of time, I am looking at the same data as you are.

What I see is a glass half full.
What you see is a glass half empty.

It is all about interpretation.

The facts as they stand NOW are that the UK is NOT in recession and not a single economist predicts that we are even likely to be, the employment figures are booming and the country is doing well, it is not flawed analysis Topcat I am looking at the cold hard facts.

Perhaps you need to go back and do a little more research (and a lie down)

" Donte say the 3 month rule, "

But the 3 month rule can be used, you don't have to pay JSA to anyone who is an EU citizen from another country who has been on JSA for 3 months and has little propsect of getting a job. They are not fulfilling their treaty rights.

( the fact that EU immigrants are under represented on the unemployment statistics, about 3% of all JSA claimaints, and 1% of EU immigrants is obviously irrelevant here).

Treaty rights also involve paying income and any other taxes on labour, if you are not doing so you can be removed from the country.

The UK could choose to enforce these rules, other countries do, the Uk chooses not to.

"What I see is a glass half full."

Because that is what you want to see.

I told you to use other economic data too, you only refer to year on year growth ( which is lower than it would have been) and unemployment ( this has been addressed too).

Keep trying to be patronizing.

Keep trying to be patronizing

Don't you mean patronising?

Would any Remainer be kind enough to answer my question? A Hard Brexit isn't in anyone's interest

I completely agree Rider. The very worst outcome for the EU would be for the UK to walk out without a deal, because some of the economies such as Italy, Greece and others are in a very fragile state. It will not take much for them to crash entirely. Italy is too big to bail out, if Italy goes under the EU is finished. It will engulf the EU and brexit will be the least of anyone's worries.

The UK have to recognise their strengths. EU have many many weaknesses and are only as strong as their weakest member. David Davis needs to stop being nice and should play to win.

Remember ghost is just some random on the internet presumably with no experience of anything - because all she can do is diss anything a Leaver a says. Isn't that right ghost?

"Don't you mean patronising?"

It can be spelled either way, although with the Z is consider US English. Good attempt, try harder.

"David Davis needs to stop being nice and should play to win."

Yes because that is how international trade works.

Oh and if the EU is "finished" so will the UK be, after 44% of our trade goes directly to it, and another 15% of our trade is through FTAs that the EU has.

If the EU goes under so does the UK.

Your actual International Aviation Authority founded 1947:

www.icao.int

topcat1980

Indeed I am assuming we should be using current data and not that of 1978? You have no idea that our growth would have been any higher you are simply guessing (no basis at all to assume it would be any different) and our high employment rates speak for themselves, even you can't argue with that.

So I would say the facts are that the UK economy is doing just fine. You can call it hyperbole to suit your remoaner script, I will stick to the facts all the same thanks.

The facts are that the UK economy has had the lowest level of growth for 5 years, and the lowest manufacturing output for 5 years in the last quarter.

Italy is too big to bail out, if Italy goes under the EU is finished

Indeed but I fear the EU will pull out all of the stops and print as much money as is needed to save Italy. I firmly believe that before long we will see an EU supporting government replace the currently democratically elected Italian government.

Because that's what they did in Greece.

But leavers will still try and tell you that the EU is democratic.

Oh and if the EU is "finished" so will the UK be, after 44% of our trade goes directly to it, and another 15% of our trade is through FTAs that the EU has.
If the EU goes under so does the UK.

So all the more reason to assume the EU will want to avoid this one would assume from your post.

Indeed. Would you be kind enough to be honest with me and tell me why it's in the EU's interest to force a hard Brexit by not being reasonable to separation terms

Anyone?

A totally poor reading of the Greek situation there.

Have some confirmation for your bias.

ghost is just some random on the internet presumably with no experience of anything - because all she can do is diss anything a Leaver a says. Isn't that right ghost?

Leavers aren't saying anything beyond slogans. One particular leaver does not even do facts.