To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

[flibbertyfive]

Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

GhostofFrankGrimes Not even Tory Brexiteers believe in Brexit.

And you wonder why the remainers lost the vote?

watchingwithinterest:

You haven't said anything of note or worth, soundbites and counterfactual hyperbole all the way for you.

I question your entire argument, none of it is accurate, all hyperbolic nonsense

Just like the OP.

And you wonder why the remainers lost the vote?

This doesn't address the point about JRM does it?

Well the OP, might be correct if the Brexiteers in parliament think they have got the deal they want.

If the remainers in the Tory party think they have what they want ( and they do) it actually means a no deal brexit can't happen.

However, there is little or no hyperbole about the economic shock that a hard brexit would cause.

We have to date:

Record levels of unemployment
A growing economy with figures rising to 1.5% in Q4
Significant global interest in trade deals

It is going really well and will continue to do so, because the EU needs us as much as we need them. No one needs a crash and burn least of all Germany as it will send certain other countries in europe over the economic cliff edge (Italy etc) and guess who will bail them out?

The UK needs to be more confident and take a stronger lead in the next stage and all will be well.

employment - typo

Look, if you want to accuse us of being hyperfuckingbolic then you have to stop being hyperfuckingbolic and hysterical as well ok?

Frequency- those fruit picking jobs will pick you up like they did for the polish and migrants so be need to worry about that.
Also you could try care work, that industry is very short staffed and will be more so if we have less immigration. Or how about shop work? Got a local corner shop? You've picked 3 jobs out of millions to explain why you can't / won't just go out to work.

topcat1980

You are rather fond of the word 'hyperbole' aren't you?

Why not expand your vocabulary ever so slightly. May I suggest magnification to help you along this afternoon?

Ghost

This is how you debate:

Poster1 Well the inflation rate in France is 4.2% and is forecasted to rise to 4.5%

Rider Well, that's based on last years figures, France's actual forecast is 5%

Frank Well the forecast in Denmark is 12%

It's a waste of everyone's time, Frank.

The 1.4% figure is for the year, not for Q4.

The figure has been cut by almost all that predict due to brexit, and is lower than the annual figures of growth prior to the referendum.

Watching, its an accurate way to describe your posts.

Hard Brexit will damage this country, economically and diplomatically. Of the leave voters I know, several voted because they wanted that money for the NHS - they were lied to. Some voted because they felt immigration drove down wages - a fair point - but this could have been dealt with by stricter wage controls, controlling non-EU immigration and by using the powers afforded to us as EU members to control EU immigration - powers we have never bothered to take because we don't ask people to register (unlike in other EU countries). Some voted thinking we could 'be like Norway'. None of them voted because they wanted to be worse off.
If we have to Brexit, then let's do it in a non damaging way and let our children enjoy the rights we have been privileged to have, thanks to the EU - generous maternity and holiday rights, EHIC cards, freedom to work, study, retire in some beautiful countries (a choice of 27!), frictionless trade and all the investment and jobs that leads to, EU doctors, nurses, scientists, dentists, etc. - plus their tax payments!, a seat at the table, and not forgetting peace and prosperity in a continent previously ravaged by senseless wars. That's what we need our MPs to be fighting for - not crashing out and leaving us diminished ... and if that looks likely I will be stocking up on supplies (including copious amounts of wine)!!

I haven't mentioned inflation Rider so no idea what you are going on about.

topcat1980

Have you thought about magnification, I think it is a mighty fine word.

A4710Rider

Go easy on Frank he is clearly scratching around for a sound argument as to why the hell the UK is doing so well when we should all be in the depths of recession and despair. How dare we all be doing so well?? It will not do for a country not to be broken by leaving the EU.

If you can't find actual evidence of severe decline and depression then just make it up! Why not.

I work in a local corner shop (or very similar) that is why I am a low-income earner. They tend to hire as many people as possible and give them all 10-12 hours per week so they have staff to fall back on when people leave/are ill etc.

There aren't many corner shops who take people on full time, especially if those people can only work during hours childcare is available. Even big corner shops like Tesco and Asda only take on part time workers until you get to management level and managers need to be able to work nights. Single parents struggle with that, due to childcare not being available on a night.

topcat1980
But the UK will be the one that takes the largest hit of any country in the result of a no deal brexit.

You do not know that. It's what Remainers want to happen so they can point their finger at those who voted Leave and say in a self satisfied and gloating voice "I told you so".

As for Nissan, the last thing I read about them was that they would be rolling out a new model this year which is good news for the North East.

Hard Brexit will damage this country, economically

Indeed. Would you be kind enough to be honest with me and tell me why it's in the EU's interest to force a hard Brexit by not being reasonable to separation terms?

Watching....

I know you are trying to be patronising, but given the paucity of your points and wild inaccuracies, you are going to have to try harder than that.

They tend to hire as many people as possible and give them all 10-12 hours per week so they have staff to fall back on when people leave/are ill etc

In my opinion they do that so people don't lose their JSA and Housing Benefits.

watchingwithinterest very well said.

Op I looked at the article you linked. This is what it said beneath the headline:

"UK citizens likely to be hit by the new fee and forms following withdrawal from bloc"

'Likely' does not mean the same as 'will' which is what you said.

I haven't mentioned inflation Rider so no idea what you are going on about.

it was an example.

I'm not saying what you post is incorrect, it's just you post it out of context of the conversation.

It's what Remainers want to happen so they can point their finger at those who voted Leave and say in a self satisfied and gloating voice "I told you so".

Nope, its what your democratically elected sovereign government is telling you.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-leaked-impact-assessment-economy-gdp-north-east-west-midlands-a8199746.html