To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

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Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

GhostofFrankGrimes Your hellish predictions and prophecy of doom really did count for shit. Along with everything else you said with your limited imagination.

The pound tanked, food process went up and businesses are moving jobs out of the UK. Not hellish enough for you?

I can happily live with it certainly. The pound is recovering nicely, food prices are stable and most businesses are staying put. Not bad.

Just thinking off the top of my head, maybe we will head to somewhere else then perhaps, like Bali or US or closer to home....I am sure we will get over it!!! Jeez

and what will businesses that trade with EU countries do? What will employees that regularly travel to EU countries do? People who have family in EU countries? You haven't thought this through have you? Just making it up as you go along.

Correction: have done, not as done.

"Oh do give over! Because we are going to be so badly affected if we can't go to Spain aren't we! "

The UK's membership of the European Common Aviation Area covers about 85% of all British flights.

The first freedom it guarentees is the right to fly over any member country without landing. Lots of our flights would be grounded because of this.

I'm not the one being ridiculous.

watching

how do you think poorer households (y'know the ones Brexit was supposed to help) cope with higher food prices?

Buteo It was a typing error and you know it, if this is the best you can possibly do it is truly pitiful.

I don't believe it was a typing error.

Buteo but as a compromise I think this is the way to go as people are more worried about FOM than making trade deals

Jasjas If the European NATO nations (bar about three) won't pay their dues, as the U.S. picks up the NATO tab, why would they for EU Defence? Why try to duplicate what NATO already does?

"The pound is recovering nicely"

Since the vote it has been significantly lower against the dollar and euro than it has been historically. Its also now been at this lower rate for longer than it was during the 2009 recession, and the low growth/ near double dip recession of 2012.

But you know, facts...

The UK economy is now the slowest growing in europe, and had negative inward and fioreign investment to the tune of £300bn in 2016/2017.

GhostofFrankGrimes

and what will businesses that trade with EU countries do? What will employees that regularly travel to EU countries do? People who have family in EU countries?

*You are doing project fear again. You can fly all over the world without a trade agreement. You can even fly happily over Syria and it is a war zone. This idea that EU will stop us flying over their land mass is deluded. Utterly deluded. You are behaving as if we are in a new cold war with the EU, we are not. They will not object to airlines flying over their countries any more than we will object to their airlines flying over our country.

It is fear mongering and you know it.

"If the European NATO nations (bar about three) won't pay their dues"

There is no "account" at NATO, just a commitment to spend 2% of GDP on defense.

It is fear mongering and you know it.

No its the reality of Brexit and you are too blind to see it.

buteo I really don't care about typing errors and nor should you.

GhostofFrankGrimes No its the reality of Brexit and you are too blind to see it.

Nope, it is more of the same shock and awe tactics. I will be flying all over the world next summer as will you.

"You can fly all over the world without a trade agreement"

You can't you need agreements to fly over a country without stopping.

85% of all UK flights covered by are part of its membership of the EECA, which we stop being part of when we leave the EU, and if we don't have an agreement that covers aviation we won't be flying. I suggest you look it up and stop talking rubbish.

I love the stuff about remain being middle class and elitist and looking down on the working class

But you are and you do.

85% of all UK flights covered by are part of its membership of the EECA, which we stop being part of when we leave the EU, and if we don't have an agreement that covers aviation we won't be flying. I suggest you look it up and stop talking rubbish

You do realise that most of the traffic coming from the West (USA, S America) is routed via the UK before the last leg to EU countries? Worldwide business will come to a complete stop if planes aren't allowed to fly. Are you silly enough to think that will happen because the EU want to make a point.

watchingwithinterest was stating that all global trade has to go through the EU which prevents us setting up global trade with US etc as a typo as well? Or just wrong?

topcat1980

Since the vote it has been significantly lower against the dollar and euro than it has been historically. Its also now been at this lower rate for longer than it was during the 2009 recession, and the low growth/ near double dip recession of 2012.

Sorry to disappoint you but the economy is fine.
We have the highest number of people in employment at the moment, the economy is still growing and to date you have no evidence whatsoever to suggest otherwise

Watching

Off topic but I can't help thinking now is the time to buy dollars. I really think Trump is going to win many a trade war some countries, like Japan, have come to realise this and are taking steps to appease the USA. Short term at least, the USD is going to explode, imo.

"But you are and you do"

That needs justification.

Although I always thought claiming the leave vote as some kind of victory over the "elites" was just propaganda, and stolen from Trump's campaign.

The whining continues I see. Why don't you actually wait until we are out of the EU? Oh, of course, that wouldn't work if all your dire Nostradamus-like predictions of doom and gloom didn't come to fruition. What would you have left to complain about if the country wasn't reduced to some post EU wasteland?

Spain has an unemployment rate of nearly 17% and youth unemployment is nearly 37%. Several of their tourist areas would be decimated without UK visitors. Germany will, of course, want to keep selling us BMWs and Mercedes and France their wine and cheese and fill their gites with UK visitors. No need to start stockpiling the brie just yet.

"We have the highest number of people in employment at the moment, the economy is still growing and to date you have no evidence whatsoever to suggest otherwise*"

The economy is growing at 0.1%, and has the lowest growth rate of any major OECD country, its the weakest rate it has been for 5 years.
The manufacturing sector recorded its weakest level for 5 years.

The JSA unemployment figures are low, but so is wage growth, suggesting a significant amount of hidden unemployment, but also using unemployment figures and not looking at the rest of the economic indicators is poor. Especially as unemployment is the last indicator to change in a downturn.

Just imagine if Merkel had given Cameron even a tiny flimsy titbit of cooperation he could have worked with, we could have avoided all of this.

But no she ignored him and assumed the spineless voters in the UK would never actually have the balls to make a decision like leave.

The British, I imagine they all said, would never have the courage to do something like this, and so they went back to drinking their fine wine, sipping their pea soup thoughtfully and sleeping in their beds paid for by you and I, all the while plotting the next stage of the EU evolution that would be very exciting it involved armies and banking systems...

So if you want to direct your anger at anyone remoaners may I strongly suggest you voice your concerns to your MEP who will happily convey your dissatisfaction to the EU and Merkel I am sure with the EU being the beacon of democracy and all of that.

Ah apologies, no one is listening, in fact you can hear the tumble weed blowing through. Oh well you could always try smoke signals.