To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

[flibbertyfive]

Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

Watching can you please prove that Ms Merkel is actually running the EU ?

watchingwithinterest We all vote for our own reasons. I do think the South is better off, but I voted for my children's future and those of my friends and family.

Anyway the EU is in a mess, Merkel has lost power and is no where to be seen anymore, the Spanish and Italian politics is in disarray. Trump is calling the shots, Italy doesn't want migrants anymore.......

Oh what a relief! Sweet salvation! Democracy in action! Down with German hegemony! Make America Little Britain Great Again

Wetherspoons has come to the rescue promising continued service of Swedish cider at their pubs. Ooooh and British sparkling wine will replace French champagne.
Kool Aid's on the house.

European nurses and midwives leaving UK in droves since Brexit vote

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/02/european-nurses-midwives-leaving-uk-nhs-brexit-vote

Now if I thought Angela had the best interests at heart for all of the citizens of the EU this wouldn't be so bad, but she doesn't, she has the german interests at heart.

We can not be part of a superstate run by Angela Merkel for the sole benefit of the german people and their businesses.

Not one other EU leader can even come close to wrestling some power from her, she dictates from the centre of Brussels to the rest of the world.

You know it, I know it. We all bloody know it.

watchingwithinterest You made the allegation. You prove it. Macron is as visible. Cameron was as visible. Yet somehow we have the archetype of the 'witch' responsible for the awful EU. Strange narrative, and one I've seen pushed by misogynists such as little OJ with no evidence behind it.

Agree with Shrimpi that we are where are and we need to try to come together to find common ground from here on, because we can't go backwards and calling people racists or remoaners doesn't help anything.

I think we have to assume everyone who voted voted in good faith.

We can and indeed should correct factual errors but attacking others' intelligence or morals is not helpful.

ghost

They are starting to recruit lower grade nurses in europe and india

By lower grade i mean the grades in the uk not a comment about their training or capacities

Its just that on the lower grade they dont have to speak the standard of English previously required

The Presidency of the EU works on a rotating basis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Union

Angela Merkel lives in my loft, that's why she is nowhere to be seen, I occasionally let her out to menace Trump when the fancy takes me or to do a spot of cleaning , she is a demon with a duster and drags the sofa out to do the skirting boards.

^ makes as much sense as Watching's Merkel musings^

jasjas1973 I take it you are joking. We hardly need evidence to see that Angela Merkel and her cronies are running the EU!!!!!!!!

Where have you been for the last five to ten years?!

watchingwithinterest

Merkel is the German chancellor. Of course she has her people's best interest at heart! That's how it's supposed to be- though you wouldn't know it with the clowns running shit from the Westminster Big Top.

GhostofFrankGrimes The President of the EU is window dressing the real decisions are made by Merkel on behalf of us all. How nice of her to have taken over the EU like she has...I must remember to drop in a thank you note on the way out.

I voted Leave because in the North East there is nothing in my area. My kids will need to leave for a better education, career and life.

I didn't vote Remain so the South can continue to have a better standard of living.

Unfortunately that's exactly what you have voted for - the wealthy southerners, who paradoxically are spearheading Brexit - have a nice financial cushion that means Brexit will barely touch them. Indeed it will benefit them in many cases and keep the poor, well... poorer.

My kids are my inspiration too - I'd like them to have the opportunities afforded by freedom of movement and the rights that they've now been stripped of. It really will be a race to the bottom between us.

Well Rees -Mogg is certainly preparing. He has just set up a feeder fund for his investment firm in Dublin to avoid the consequences of Brexit.

I think people don’t understand that it’s a short time hurt for a long term gain. We don’t think we will leave unscathed... but we believe it will better our lives and country in the long term future. That’s why we voted to leave....for the long game. I’m not sure why remainers can’t figure that out!

To correct some factual errors I've seen in this thread:

LifeBeginsAtGin - "I voted Leave because in the North East there is nothing in my area. My kids will need to leave for a better education, career and life."

But your kids won't be able to leave the UK to get a better life. No Auf Wiedersehen Pet jobs in the building trade in Germany, no jobs in the tourist industry in Spain, no Year in Provence or whatever. People like Farage will go on getting his 6 figure pension from Brussels and Nigel Lawson will continue to tell us how great Brexit is while continuing to live in his French mansion.

But for all ordinary people, we will have no chance of escaping recession in the UK.

We'll even have to pay for visas every time we want to go on holiday there.

TheVanguardSix Yes which is exactly why she should NOT be leading the EU! Her interests are to serve her own country which she has done very well using the euro as a vehicle.

The EU vision has died in Europe. Like the last ones dancing at the party they are yet to notice that everyone has left.

Cameron went to the EU to plead with them to allow us to reduce our migrant quotas and he was given his arse in his hand instead...the result was Brexit. We had no power. The EU is primarily for the benefit of Germany and then France.

I remember watching a documentary on a German family and the father supported his middle class family by working in a pencil factory!! Here that would be a business on it's knees paying Eastern Euopeans the NMW.

I have had to have words though about her flicking her tab ends in the gutter and the volume at which she insists on playing Steps greatest hits. Reach for the stars being a particular favourite, bless her little Germanic support hosiery. I let these things slide a bit because my grouting has never been so clean.

frumpety

Watching can you please prove that Ms Merkel is actually running the EU ?

Of course gladly. I will use an article from a remoaner favourite the Guardian (EU sponsored paper) to illustrate my point:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/15/angela-merkel-germany-ukraine-putin-obama

Not that I need to, because we all know very well that Merkel runs the EU.

Another error:

The idea that Merkel has forced Europe to do her bidding and the rest of Europe is therefore losing out.

In fact, even Greece, the country which has suffered most under the EU in recent years, voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU when they had a referendum. Even with all the massive austerity they had to face, they still realised that longer term they would be stronger in Europe than out of it.

The rest of Europe acknowledges this.

No, the EU is not perfect, but like Churchill's verdict on democracy ("the worst form of government except for all the alternatives"), most Europeans accept that even an imperfect EU is better than no EU.

People who think that Britain would in the long term be stronger outside the EU forget that before joining the EU, in the early 70s, Britain was known as 'the sick man of Europe' because our economy was so dire.

40 years of being in the EU has had a hugely positive effect on our economy, and also on our fellow EU members' economies. This is why countries are so desperate to join. Think how poor Spain used to be. Think how keen all the Eastern European countries have been to join. They didn't all rush to join because they thought being part of the EU would harm their economies.

The EU vision has died in Europe. Like the last ones dancing at the party they are yet to notice that everyone has left.

Well, I don't think the dancing on the tables will start here in the UK any time soon.

We can agree to disagree.
It's not that I am a I HEART EU and JUNCKER'S DA MAN type.
Believe me, EU is flawed.
But imo, Brexit is not only flawed, it's not even planned. How can it be well executed?

Now we all agree that Merkel runs the EU and that is without question.

We then tackle the idea that this is clearly in the interests of Germany and run for the benefit of Germany.

As TheVanguardSix kindly pointed out to us below:

"Merkel is the German chancellor. Of course she has her people's best interest at heart! That's how it's supposed to be- though you wouldn't know it with the clowns running shit from the Westminster Big Top"

So with this is in mind, is it really any surprise to anyone that the UK voted to leave an EU lead by the German Chancellor (and in your own words) to serve the German people at the expense of all the other countries?

No it should not have been a surprise.

This was always going to untenable for a country like the UK.

So with this is in mind, is it really any surprise to anyone that the UK voted to leave an EU lead by the German Chancellor (and in your own words) to serve the German people at the expense of all the other countries?

Its almost as if the UK didn't benefit from EU funding. The European Capital of Culture award did wonders for Liverpool. A city ravaged by British governments ("managed decline") in previous decades.