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For not moving on the bus

141 replies

LOL7 · 08/06/2018 16:54

Hello,
Firstly a bit of background about me- I am 24 weeks pregnant and have pulled a muscle in my bump, I have back issues (previous surgery) and am not allowed to drive due to medical reasons so I have a disability bus pass. I am 22, look very young and to look at me I look 'normal'- e.g not obviously disabled or pregnant.
Today I was on the bus with my ds in his pushchair, he was fast asleep and I had a few bags underneath. A lot of old ladies were on the bus discussing how my son looks at least 3.5 years (he turned 3 yesterday), so shouldn't be using a pushchair, and back in their day he would have had to come out and they would have folded it up. Then some more elderly ladies came on the bus and I could hear them all discussing how I should be moving the push chair and offering up my front seat-although no one was standing. Then as the bus got more full, we stopped for a carer and a man in a wheelchair, the carer parked the wheelchair next to the bus stop so I stayed seated assuming they weren't wanting to come on, the carer asked the driver if there was space and then said 'we will wait for the next one in 10 minutes', so I stayed where I was. Then a lady who was waiting at the same stop came on the bus and told the driver he is required by law to tell the push chair to get off so that the wheel chair can come on. The driver said it's whoever is on first and the lady said 'pushchairs can be folded'- I would have folded the pushchair if I had to however I didn't offer too because 1.my son was asleep 2.i struggle to fold it down due to the pain in my bump and back 3.they had chosen to wait for the next one themselves.
Of course for the next 15 minute journey I could hear all of the elderly ladies discussing how awful I am and wrong and how I am young and fit and should have just got off or be stood up. When we got to the last stop and everyone was getting off, the lady who was sat next to me stood up and pointed at the seat where the wheelchair goes (the one that goes backwards and folds up) and said 'that's where you should be sitting isn't it' I said 'sorry, why should i sit there?' She said 'because you have a push chair, so you should be there' and I said again 'why should I have to sit there?' And she pointed to where I was sat and said 'that says for the disabled and elderly!' So I showed her my disability pass and said 'I am disabled! And I'm pregnant!' She stopped for a second and said yet again 'well you should be sitting there!'
I got off the bus shaking and holding back tears, it was absolutely horrible listening to everyone say how selfish and vile I am.
So, WIBU for staying where I was?

OP posts:
SnuggyBuggy · 09/06/2018 23:48

The lack of luggage rack on a lot of modern busses really doesn't help. In an ideal world you would have a folding buggy and be prepared to fold and store but you need storage space.

DailyMailReadersAreThick · 09/06/2018 23:56

Wheelchairs should always take priority over pushchairs on buses.

Yes. I don't know how any decent person can think otherwise.

i suspect they said they would wait for the next as they are probably use to people refusing to move sad.

That was my first thought, too Sad

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 10/06/2018 00:01

Presumably none of those old ladies offered to help the OP lift up her sleeping 3 year old, while she folded her buggy though.
All very well to bitch, but unless they offered to help, they have no right to criticise. OP is pg, disabled and had a sleeping toddler (sleeping kids seem to double in weight!). I wouldn't have moved either.

Ubercornsdiscoball · 10/06/2018 00:15

I am pregnant with a toddler often sleeping in a pram plus another pre school child and ‘undisclosed’ health issues.

I get off the bus if a wheelchair needs the space 🤷‍♀️

Welshwabbit · 10/06/2018 07:27

OP, I think the issue here is that you could have said "I'll just move my buggy out so you can get the wheelchair in - there's space here for both of us". Because you didn't the bus driver decided to avoid confrontation (based on the Supreme Court case of Paulley I think he should any least have asked you to make space) and the wheelchair user was left unable to board. I think folding the buggy is bit of a red herring because actually there was a step available to you that, from what you've said, wouldn't have caused you problems because of your disability and would have allowed the wheelchair user to share the space.

I do get that it's difficult when your disability is invisible and the other ladies were rude. But I think you should have offered to reposition the buggy.

MrsMaisel · 10/06/2018 07:34

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lynzpynz · 10/06/2018 07:40

@strong - I’m so used to rude folk abusing the un-obviously disabled I missed that point sorry! In that case it should be fine to sit there with buggy as you’re disabled and not doing any harm with buggy but when wheelchair user came to get on agree yes that’s the point should ask for assistance to help fold buggy if you need it. It may be awkward to do this after the biddies bitching and can understand reluctance as a result but wheelchair user always trumps buggy for that space. Perhaps if ever happens again may be ideal opportunity to ask the previously bitching biddies to help you fold up buggy as you’re disabled!

It is surprising this isn’t enforcable by bus driver, would save users of the space much hassle if it was surely.

52FestiveRoad · 10/06/2018 08:11

If you dropped all the ageist comments, you might get a bit more sympathy

If the OP had said 'some women' then she would have probably got 50 posts saying 'what age were the woman OP, were they elderly' and then be accused of drip feeding when she replied to the question. Sometimes you can't win on MN.

Or apparently on buses.

EeyoresEars · 10/06/2018 08:47

The real issue seems to be that buses aren’t designed with the needs of disabled people in mind. I mentioned a few posts back my friend who, due to being disabled, could not fold up her buggy or safely hold her children and could not wait 20-30 minutes for the next bus. If buses had proper space for wheelchairs, and disabled people with other access needs this wouldn’t be an issue at all. Similarly, if bus services were regular and reliable then waiting for the next bus might be less problematic for people.

lovesugarfreejelly63 · 10/06/2018 13:26

LOL you are able bodied, the wheelchair user was not, its all down to your conscience really.

Shadow666 · 10/06/2018 13:31

How is the OP able-bodied if she is registered disabled?

MotherforkingShirtballs · 10/06/2018 13:58

It's possible to be able-bodied and also be disabled,there are many disabilities that do not impair mobility or impair it intermittently rather than constantly. I presume this is what PP means by able-bodied, it's certainly what I understood it as when I read it.

Shadow666 · 10/06/2018 14:23

Ok, I’m going to have to go away and contemplate the existence of an able-bodied disabled person as that has blown my mind somewhat. 🤯

Armchairanarchist · 10/06/2018 14:31

I've had this so many times. There's an old woman at school who stands and glares at me every day for parking on double yellow lines with blue badges. I'm itching for her to dare to say anything. I've had abuse at supermarkets too and it's always old people. I'm not proud but once replied that don't they wish they had cancer too!

insomuchpain · 10/06/2018 19:55

I would of stood up and told every single one of them I was disabled and showed my disability pass! Then said if they have anything else to say to say it to my face!

They sound awful! I feel so sorry for you!!

EvaGraceMummy2015 · 10/06/2018 20:18

As a young mum who has had to take the bus majority of the time (when partner was at work with the car) since my little girl was born, I know exactly what this is like! I suffer with anxiety (which I manage through medication) and used to dread getting the bus with the pram as I knew for a fact the elderly ladies who get on would have something to say! They had no shame in talking very loudly so I could hear saying things like 'well in my day we used to walk everywhere with the pram, we wouldn't get the bus' snide comments about taking up room etc tutting as they have to walk past to one seat behind etc etc etc
I would always stand up when it was busy and always offer my seat if an elderly man/lady got on but a lot of the time they would refuse it anyway! So you can't do right for doing wrong sometimes.. one lady once told me my daughter shouldn't be in a pram as she was too old (she was 2) and I sort of snapped and said 'well she is only 2, just tall for her age like her mummy' she seemed a bit shocked (like she had put her foot in her mouth) then said something about how she could still walk around town on rains.. I said how I prefer to keep her safe and where I can know she won't be running off.. she knew I wasn't impressed (I was thinking why the hell should I be arguing this point with a complete stranger?!)
I have come to the conclusion (after 3 years of taking the bus with a pram) that there will always be comments made etc but I don't really give a shit anymore 😂 and I just hold my head high and brush it off, life is too short 😊

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