WTF is happening in London?!

[AngeloMysterioso]

In the last few days alone, there’s been a stabbing outside Liverpool St station, two moped muggers punched a women to the ground for her handbag and phone, and Michael McIntyre was forced out of his car and had his watch taken off him by another pair who smashed his window in whilst his child was in the back!

Even where I live in a pretty boring zone 4 suburb two teenage boys were stabbed a few streets away last week.

I know it’s never been the safest of cities but it feels like it’s got so much worse in the last year or so. What the hell is happening?

I would like to know what Sadiq Khan is doing as it appears very little.

There is also fuck all consequences for these kids actions. No deterrent whatsoever.

I'm in Leeds and we have our fair share of idiots on mopeds. I saw some acting really dangerously and I rang 999. I wasn't going to sit on hold to 101 whilst some poor car driver had to deal with the consequences of hitting them. I posted in social media and low and behold, these kids had been at it for a few weeks but it hadn't occurred to anyone to actually call the police, let alone 999. Strangely enough they haven't been seen since. The 999 operator was really lovely when I rang, I apologised and said I felt a bit like I was wasting their time but I couldn't of lived with myself if something had of happened that I could of prevented.

The moral of the story is report things, even if you think the police will do nothing, they can't do anything about problems they know nothing about.

Domestic violence.

I read a great memoir recently by a former London Chief Superintendent and he said that he once investigated a gang stabbing and all but one of the attackers were from a broken home, most had been excluded from school “but the one fact that stood out clear as day was that every single one of them, without exception, had grown up in a home where domestic violence had been experienced.” And he saw it over and over again.

He's adamant that domestic violence is the biggest cause of violent crime later in life among young people, and that it's the single greatest cause of harm in society, more than drugs and alcohol.

Violence begets violence - we need to stop turning a blind eye (and ear) to what goes on behind closed doors.

Re. the post saying the ppl in the 2011 riots were threatened with loss of their social housing .............yes i remember it well I dont think the middle class doctors daughter was threatened with any such punishment though.

Maybe she wasn't threatened with loss of social housing because the family were not in social housing? Just a wild guess.

Completely agree with mummyof3kids. I also live in zone 4 but I have to say that I still feel pretty safe in my area. I’m not saying that muggings etc don’t happen round here, but I take care not to put myself in obvious danger. A lot of the standings and knife crime is gang/drugs related so if you’re not in a gang or a drug dealer (or associate with them) you’re highly unlikely to be targeted.

i am afraid it is true, most of the youth who are stabbed/shot to death are 'shotting'. Even if they are also going to college etc.

I totally agree with you, that it has become completely terrifying and out of any kind of control.

This is utter nonsense. Go to London today, you will find it full of people just going about their daily business who are clearly not in a state of abject fear. They are neither terrified nor out of control.

I work in an area which isn't the roughest in London, but isn't the best. I regularly walk to the station at night time, and feel perfectly safe. The one time I felt slightly unsafe because I was approaching a couple of hoodies, they stopped to help me when I dropped something.

Recently a single mother killed herself as a result of the struggle of being on Universal Credit. She left behind a young child. I wonder how that child will feel about the system in this country when they grow up.

It's hard to say why anyone kills themselves. What you read in leftie newpapers is dangerous. There will be a whole host of reasons, not just because someone is on UC. I would suggest MH for starters.

" I would suggest MH for starters."

well OK but if you already have fragile MH, and then you have no money for rent , food etc., your landlord is hassling you, you cant buy shoes for your child, then the UC system could just push you over the edge to suicide, having made you feel completely useless.

Having MH issues doesn't mean that it is OK that people commit suicide, does it?

This thread is about why people are disrespecting each other and the breakdown in some elements of society. Whats that got to do with people killing themselves because they are on UC.

We've looked at why some people act the way they do. Some thoughts are on the breakdown of the family, fatherless youths, not going to school, lack of respect for authority. Blaming others for poor choices. These could be why some end up on UC.

" breakdown of the family, fatherless youths, not going to school, lack of respect for authority. Blaming others for poor choices. These could be why some end up on UC. "

really? or some could end up on UC, because there are literally no jobs in their area. I appreciate that if people live in London or the south east, this could be a really strange concept for them...

In my area, for example, if you do not speak 'fluent' Welsh, you can forget any kind of proper job, and a lot of crappy jobs as well.

Please do not tell me to go to Welsh classes, I already have..:)

Possibly. But there are jobs, you just have to look and accept what's going without being too precious that it's beneath you.

There are thousands of reasons why someone would stab another, or end their own lives. What we are trying to say is there is a breakdown in society and people need to to take responsibility for their lives, not blame others for their problems

" you just have to look and accept what's going without being too precious that it's beneath you "

I don't think that anything is beneath me, thank you.
When you have been jobhunting in my area for 2 years plus, come back and talk to me. Until then, I suggest you stop blibbling ill informed nonsense.

FriedChicken that's awful and hope you find something suitable soon.

This is or at least started as a thread about London and the current crime wave here.

There are jobs in London, so it can't be that fuelling the crime here.

FriedChicken But this thread is about the crime wave in London, not about you, your job searches and if you speak Welsh or not. [

yes there are jobs in London, no doubt about that.

The Daily Mail headlines and the reactions from people who DO NOT live in London are hilarious.

Trust me, no-one's terrified.

And there are plenty of jobs. Trouble is, a lot of teenagers don't want to clean houses and serve in cafes, look after people's children or drive delivery vans.

Young people from Eastern Europe will gladly do it, and do a damn good job of it.

Thank you just dance. Today’s metro (there is on line version for those who don’t have access) is a good example of what’s happening. I feel as safe in London as I did in Wales and am always aware of my surroundings. When we make ‘hot felons’ icons as a society, that represents a breakdown. The wrong messages are being delivered. I educate my children on potential dangers and talk about what happens when people join gangs and take drugs. I hope that in educating them they will make the right choices later in life. Lifebegins - yes, we all need to take responsibility starting now.

Also, last year I recruited for an entry level admin role paying just under £21k, central London based. I didn’t stipulate any qualifications, just skills required (e.g ability to create word documents, use social media for research etc.) only 4 people applied, all 4 were invited to interview, 2 people actually turned up (one of whom was not from UK or EU). I offered the role to someone who had never worked full time before. That person is thriving and about to get promotion and few grand extra salary. The role and organisation may have appeared boring and unattractive, it was advertised on popular job boards. My daughter on the other hand applied (and got) role on similar salary in an ‘exciting and desirable, industry. The applications were in the hundreds for that role! Peoples expectations need to change, along with a dose of reality!

Mummy that's it. Some will try and job and give it their all (punctual, hard working, professional ethic). The rest I'm afraid just complain "there are no jobs".

yes Gin but you were the one who started going on about UC and how only the feckless end up on it.

Which is patently not true. I was just giving you an example.

Anyway who could live on 21 k in London other than those sharing three to a room?

“Parents are failing their kids. Plain and simple. They don’t know how to raise decent humans.“

I know two people who have children who’ve been arrested robbery/violence.

Both are thoroughly responsible, hardworking people whose other children are not in any way a problem. One family has one son who’s been in non-stop trouble, and another who got an full academic scholarship to a private school, and two children who compete in sport internationally.

I think ‘I blame the parents’ is a knee jerk response by people who need believe that having a delinquent child couldn’t possibly happen to them.

Four If you read the thread I was responding to someone else who raised UC. Nice try.

LifeBeginsAtGin, if I were you I would lay off the gin this early, it is doing nothing for you. I am not 'trying' anything, I was just responding to the conversation.
It's called a 'forum'.