To be pissed off at the fever tree take over

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Been on the Atkins for 6 weeks and lost lots of weight. Saturday was my birthday and so I decided to treat myself to a gin and slim - no carbs! Went to the bar and was given a gin and fever tree refreshingly light so I decided to check the label. 4g of carbs - that's a third of my daily allowance. I asked for another slimline tonic - anything all the others have 0 calories and 0 carbs but no - only fever tree. It's not a slimline tonic people scrap the fever tree - you need to stock something else

6kg in 6 weeks is over 2lbs per week though, which I think is about the maximum you can lose and still stand a chance of maintaining.

I know what @gorgon means, as people lost ridiculous amounts on programs like biggest loser etc, when they’ve started out very large. But they all seem to gain it back again quickly.

@gorgon, obviously you don’t have a problem losing and maintaining a low weight, as you’ve said you’ve always been slim or skinny, so you may not know that it’s hard for many people to maintain weight loss if they lose a lot, quickly to begin with.

I agree that there is a lot of ponciness associated with gin these days as it has become very trendy to drink it, so I had a blind tasting gin session with a friend. And my favourite of the 4 that I tried was.....Gordons.

I have never done a blind testing before, I would like to though.

Snopes entry about Dr. Atkins death is genuinely interesting!!

One claim is that his body put on 63lbs due to fluid retention in the 9 days between the fall that was linked to his death & the actual death. Anyone on MN medically qualified to comment? Family refused an autopsy; some reliable sources claimed he had heart disease but the most reliable sources refused to comment.

So many people invested.
I'm sure like vegan or high-carb or other diets, there are ways to do low carb that screw over your health & ways that make low carb an extremely healthy option.

"FatherMackenzie*

6kg in 6 weeks is over 2lbs per week though, which I think is about the maximum you can lose and still stand a chance of maintaining.

You can maintain any weight if you balance your intake and expenditure.

I was specifically responding to the bit where op said she's lost "loads of weight" as an implicit recommendation for Atkins. A sensible calorie controlled diet would have better results in a way that doesn't involve hugely unhealthy dietary rules.

I know what @gorgon means, as people lost ridiculous amounts on programs like biggest loser etc, when they’ve started out very large. But they all seem to gain it back again quickly.

Two of my friends who were previously obese both lost 7 or 8 stone in a few months and have kept it off for several years.

Anecdotal but so is yours! And I believe you're incorrect about the biggest loser long term results, will see if I can find the link.

@gorgon obviously you don’t have a problem losing and maintaining a low weight, as you’ve said you’ve always been slim or skinny, so you may not know that it’s hard for many people to maintain weight loss if they lose a lot, quickly to begin with.

I work really hard to maintain my weight, and part of that is knowing that long term lifestyle changes and personal responsibility are essential.

Slimline tonic is hardly a human right...

I agree with a lot of what you say @gorgon. I also think Atkins is terrible for health and also pretty bad news for animals and the environment!

Yes father . Part of being healthy and controlling weight long term is understanding that sometimes you may not be able to eat or drink whatever you fancy!

And that if you are going to act as if you have a genuine allergy or sensitivity, then it's your responsibility to know what you can and can't have.

Very limited sympathy for this person expecting bar staff to know everything about her fad diet when I've seen my actually nut allergic friend go into anaphylaxis on two separate occasions due to wrong information given by catering staff.

“Slimline tonic is hardly a human right...”

No it’s not, but it’s pretty annoying when you ask for slimline tonic and they give you one with sugar in it... that’s the thing, they don’t say, we don’t have that, they just serve the fever tree one.

To a diabetic on insulin the amount of carbs in something affects how much insulin they inject so,slimline tonic with 0 carbs would be the preferable drink. It’s not always just about weight loss.

I have type 1 diabetes and although I count my carbs and try not to go overboard my doctor and dieticien would give me a talking to if I only ate 12 grams of carbs a day. Your muscles and heart need some carbs to function properly. They want me to eat a healthy diet of 3-4 sandwiches (1 sandwich is 16 grams of carbs), 1 or 2 portions of fruit (preferably not banana too often) and a small serving of rice or potatoes etc and a portion of protein and low carb veg in the evening. So the 4 gr drink wouldn't be a problem actually.

You know Dr Atkins died of a heart condition? Ironic for a cardiologist who designed a diet for a healthier heart....

As previously mentioned, this is untrue. www.verywellfit.com/how-did-atkins-die-2241657

One other thing to note, if you are a Lidl fan, the ready mixed cans of G&T contain sweetener.

I'd be disappointed with 6kg in 6 weeks on something as restrictive as Atkins. Just eating fresh food and not too many sweet treats should be about the same loss even without being loads of weight. A diet that restrictive is unlikely to be as sustainable, it's clearly already proving to be an issue even with choosing a drink.

You should be eating carbs, they are part of a balanced diet.

I'm sorry @Gottokondo but if that is what your Dr or dietician is promoting for a healthy diet for a type 1 diabetic, they are v out of touch!
Nothing wrong with eating carbs as a diabetic, but to promote bread etc just isn't what I would expect. I rarely eat bread as I get horrendous blood sugar spikes. My clinic have been pushing individuals to work out how carbs affect them. No way could I eat what you suggest. I appreciate some type 1 diabetics I know could and get away with good control.

12g of carbs in one days is excessively low. Most people in ketosis I believe can achieve this between 20-30g of carbs. But actually, I'd be seriously pissed off if I was using up 4g of it in tonic!
The OPs point was she was given something she wasn't expecting and the element of choice has been taken away. I agree pubs have jumped on the bandwagon as fever tree is the on trend tonic at the moment. That's great. For fever tree and all those of you that prefer it.
But for me, I would be pissed off if I didn't know as the sugar in it would cause my blood sugar to rise and I wouldn't be expecting it! I can have a g& slime line and have no expected spike.

If a pub or other establishment gave me a full fat coke instead of diet, I would have a good case to complain. Although not the same level of sugar, I think this is similar!

I was given fever tree the other day and had a big spike. It wasn't until I went back another day and asked about a sugar free option that we realised the diet version had bloody sugar in! It's misleading and I think they should rebrand/rename it. It's misleading for someone like me with diabetes.

It is not called sugar-free or diet. It is called naturally light because it has significantly fewer calories than normal tonic. I am an avid calorie counter and I love it it is well worth a few extra calories from my perspective. However I would never expect anyone with a genuine medical dietary requirement to rely on something as nebulous as a brand having the word light in it.

I completely disagree. 'light' is a recognised term interchangeably with 'diet' where soft drinks are concerned.

It's not just the name. Pubs etc are serving this in place of a sugar free alternative.

Am I really shocked that so many of you are completely missing the point here. I can completely see your point that it's a nicer tonic etc and it doesn't have sweeteners blah blah blah. I get it. Maybe if this wasn't so fucking serious I'd be nodding along. But If I ordered a 'light' version of any other drink and got one with sugar in (that wasn't attached to gin no doubt), MN would I'm sure not have this bizarre stance.

It's obviously pointless me continuing as people don't agree and/or can't see the point I'm trying to make. Maybe when you've hit 20+ mmol/l because someone gave you full fat coke or tonic with fucking sugar in instead of what you asked for you'd have a bit more empathy.

If i were in a position where my health would be at serious risk if I had a particular ingredient, I'd, you know, check the nutritional information. Rather than relying on it being called 'light'. It takes about 10 seconds and you only need to check once.

You have no idea. Please read before you comment again. I've already stated this above, but obviously not as clearly as I thought.
So for you Gordon...

So, you order a drink in the pub.
Gin and slim line tonic. They pour the lot in the glass.

You don't know that this time, they've changed the bloody tonic. You make a mental note the drinks gone up in price but think nothing of it.

Tell me. How would you know?

Slim line tonic is sugar free.

When I DID question it as I had such a reaction before. They got all the bottles out. It's a this point we realised. They too had no idea and assumed the light version was sugar free. Because, as I've already mentioned, that verbally is the accepted term in the industry. I guess so many of us are wrong.

The pub now make sure they inform their customer before and they can make a choice.

You see. That was the OPs point, was it not?

You are just arguing for the sake of it. Surely you can see my point?!

“It takes about 10 seconds and you only need to check once.”

Not if you don’t have it to check and they haven’t told you that’s what they’re serving you despite it not being what you asked for.

Thank you
I thought I was speaking a different language for a minute.

I'm a Fever Tree light lover but I think YANBU. They don't do a slimline and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a pub to stock slimline tonic. I do think there's a problem how people see the light product as if they aren't paying attention then they can assume it's a proper diet drink and it's not. But Fever Tree are quite clear about it.
It's funny how in this area its gone this was whereas everywhere else it's sweetners all round, which I hate. Give us sugary and non sugary options!

I'm opening a bottle of FT NOW.

I might join you! Slime line of course!

Mine is a disappointingly not very sweet ginger beer.
Has some almighty kick to it, tbf, and apparently no artificial sweeteners.

Thank goodness some of the latest posters have got the point! You are exactly right user - I asked for a specifically for slimline tonic - they put fever tree light in the glass and brought it over with the can. I checked the can (because it didn't say diet) and realised it wasn't slimline. The pub didn't realise - they thought it was slimline. Pubs expect to stock a slimline tonic - lots of people want them it's not a fad!
Oh aNd for the record I weigh 8.9 stone after my diet so I am not massively obese as per some previous implications - it was a great amount for me to lose in that time frame and I am very happy with my new Bikini bod and the Atkins. Just not so happy with fever tree

Until recently most pubs assumed that the deafult tonic/coke etc was slimline. Many still do. I really dislike the taste of artificial sweeteners and always have to ask for the full fat version.

Now that Fever Tree is more widely available buying a G and T in a pub is less of a lottery for me.

However, I agree that slimline should be available for those that can't have sugar and those with no tastebuds

User

I looked up the dietary recommendations for type 1 in the UK and it also names carbs like sandwiches at every meal:
www.google.nl/amp/s/www.diabetes.org.uk/diabetes-the-basics/food-and-diabetes/i-have-type-1-diabetes%3famp

So I don't think that my doctor is old fashioned but I do agree with you that everyone needs to find their happy medium. I get too much out of balance if I don't eat something wholegrain everyday. I need some slow acting carbs to keep me stable. My type 1 brother doesn't have this problem but he needs to graze during the day.

But Fevertree light is their slimline version, and if that venue choose Fevertree as their sole tonic brand they did give you slimline. It's not Fevertree's or the pub's fault that their definition does not meet your own. Slimline has never specifically meant zero sugar zero calories.