To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

[Laudanumm]

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

So I urge everyone to prepare. I know I am going to get socialists telling me that

A. What about those who can’t afford to store food.

B. The government won’t let t get that bad.

In reality if you can’t afford to prep you need to come up with a different plan. A means of survival that doesn’t involve looting from your neighbors, because you will either end up being killed or injured.

In answer to B. Don’t trust the government. They will not admit they are wrong because the moment they do they admit that they are not in control.

It's people like you that don't leave any decent food on the shelves on bank holiday and Christmas. People panicking makes a shortage

No that’s not me, I have done by shopping days and days before that!!

That's a powerful post @Icantreachthepretzels

It's people like you that don't leave any decent food on the shelves on bank holiday and Christmas. People panicking makes a shortage

Buying extra non-perishable items and storing them in advance is in no way the same thing as panic buying. It is in fact, the exact opposite.
If there is no good news by October, I will start prepping for March.
5 months of buying a bag of rice a week, a few extra tins and some long life milk is not going to cause any kind of shortage.

I imagine the shops will be cleared out on March 29th if we know we are crashing out (so we will go into this disaster already having shortages!) But I won't be one of the people panic buying - I'll have had my stuff for months.

But again - simple refusal to grasp a basic concept: panic buying and prepping are not the same thing! How on earth were we expected to understand the complexities of the customs union and why it was beneficial, when adults can't even get that distinction right?

Pinkgirl Thank you - I am very angry

Icantreachthepretzels

You eloquently outlined the situation the the UK faces.

Sadly people with hope and pray that the worst won’t happen, but the point they realize that it did happen.....it will be too late.

I'm sorry I just don't see this scenario of shortages and no fuel etc happening.

To the people saying that they're going to put in big orders for things they buy online from the EU, you do know that shops / websites can still sell you stuff and post it to you post Brexit?? We work massively with a company in Spain for manufacture and if anything we've upped expenditure and ordering since the vote.

The channel tunnel wasn't around until 1988/89 and we still had food in the supermarkets I believe.

We’re bugging out if there’s no good news by October. Thankfully DP’s job actively wants us to relocate overseas and I’m fucked if I’m putting my kids through a disaster scenario because of the cunting ERG.
Twenty years we’ve spent building our lives and careers here. Anyone who thinks there’s no change to people’s lives is seriously devoid of empathy and critical thinking.
Twenty years. Now we have to give it all up. There’s people who can’t relocate, who’ve lost their businesses. I’m so fucking angry I feel murderous. Thankfully for the likes of Faragd et al we don’t have a death penalty.

Also, listen to Kursk, people. Sth tells me s/he knows what s/he’s talking about from real-life experience.

Icantreachthepretzels - well put.

Most of what you outlined I was saying before the referendum, nobody listens, they just reply like a load of brainwashed zombies "project fear".

Channel tunnel...
WE DON’T PRODUCE ENOUGH OF OUR OWN FOOD ANYMORE AND EVEN IF WE DID THERE’S NO-ONE TO PICK IT.

Are you getting it now?

Minou Oh I'm sure they'll come up with something regarding picking...probably make the unemployed do it for "work experience"

No Pick no Pay or somesuch scheme.

It will be that or the workhouse...won't be CALLED a workhouse. More like "State Accomodation Centre" or similar.

Whoo-hoo! Of course Ajas! Top-class blue sky thinking there! Hey! Maybe they can offer incentives to meet targets like actually getting to eat some of the produce at the end of the day, eh?

baxter can you explain how the goods you have ordered in the eu will arrive to your door?
I would assume they will come by boat or truck (so stuck in Dover etc... too) or by plane (see the issue with planes flying).
How do you think your company will get their raw materials to carry in working of goods are stuck in Dover?

the government isn't going to allow civil unrest, the army would be involved in distribution before too long.
@red do you really see that as possible acceptable outcome??
Mind you, if we were going back to rationing and martial law, maybe we would see the same thing happening than during the WW2 and people would get healthy again.
Except that I doubt people would be happy to accept that situation.

Reality is that prices will be going up a hell of a lot and we would all loose a lot of buying power.
OJ for those of us who have a reasonnable income. Notnso good for the others.

I've got a dream job starting in Oct, otherwise I'd def get out of the country

Whenever I look at my one-year old DS I feel enraged that people can so deliberately sabotage the next generation's future. And that's what it is - sabotage so they can implement their extreme ideologies. Disaster capitalism in the Tories, disaster capitalism in Labour.

We're looking at 20 years of decline which will make the last austerity era look like a holiday.

Exactly Tambien. If we were facing a natural disaster or a huge enemy like Hitler then yes, people would be more accepting.
This shitshow is 100% manufactured.

Ajas nope, they are already talking about making prisoners work instead. (Framers have asked if this wouldn’t be good way to compensate for the loss of European workers...)
Back to a new version of the workhouse.

Freegazelle, just wait and see. Don’t make any firm decisions just yet.

To the people saying that they're going to put in big orders for things they buy online from the EU, you do know that shops / websites can still sell you stuff and post it to you post Brexit??

Yes, with massively increased postage. And it will still be stopped and inspected in customs. If they want to send it air mail - there will be no planes, and if they send it on a delivery van on a ferry, then that van will get held up for hours - if not days.
So whatever it is you want from overseas a) start saving now because it will be massively more expensive.
b) put the order in well before you need it - as it will take far far longer to reach you.
c) Expect that it may be confiscated at customs anyway.
D) Don't bother ordering anything perishable. It won't survive the journey.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! how often do people need to be told there will be no planes and the ports will be swamped? Shit you buy over the internet doesn't magic its way out of the ether - it comes through a fucking port!

The channel tunnel wasn't around until 1988/89 and we still had food in the supermarkets I believe

Yes. We also know food quality and range has massively improved in Britain in the past 30 years. So going back to the 80s is going to be a real step backward - which will seem worse than if we had never improved at all. 'Ladies and Gentlemen there will be food - it will just be bland, poor quality and without much choice' - isn't really a selling point for everything being OK is it? Unless your leave vote was actively voting to make food of poorer quality?
However - it isn't just a step back in time. The world has moved on since the 80s. Trade agreements/ regulations/transport... we can't just pull out of the EU and expect everything to be as it was before. Everyone else has moved on too. rules and agreements that applied in the 80s simply don't exist anymore. Therefore just because we had food in the 80s doesn't mean we will have it now. Because -and I cannot stress this enough - it is no longer the 80s

And then there is that whole pesky not being able to get through ports thing.

Unless you genuinely believe that Britain is currently self sufficient for food? And that it was in the 80s? If that is the belief you are labouring under - and that is why you think it will be fine - I'm afraid to tell you you are in fact quite quite mistaken.

We are not self sufficient in food production - haven't been for over a hundred years.

Good post pretzels!

Unless I've missed it, I haven't seen any pledges to not prepare yet. Just the usual blithe handwaving plus a bit of deflection.

I'm old enough to remember life before the channel tunnel. I'm sure there are plenty on here who were also adults pre-tunnel.
It's not the tunnel or otherwise that's the problem, it's the difficulty we'll have bringing the harvest in without willing labour. Which is why a lot of bigger farms are relocating to the EU, other farms are diversifying and people who know about food supply understand that the short term might get tricky if we don't have the ability to feed ourselves. And the medium to long term will get more expensive.
Hope for the best, prepare for much of the worst as you reasonably can without freaking yourself. And don't freak out the children.
Not too late to plant some spuds. You don't need a garden and you don't need to be an expert.
Expand to some tomatoes or whatever else you like. Hop on over to the gardening topic.

Tell you what we have seen though, Elements; prominent leaders applying for alternative citizenship.,.

JR-M's European Research Group of Conservative MPs endorsed a study by Dover MP Charlie Elphicke about preparing for Brexit, it was published last year. Not one of the recommendations have been picked up.
you can read it here: www.elphicke.com/brexit-reports/ready-on-day-one

The channel tunnel wasn't around until 1988/89 and we still had food in the supermarkets I believe.

That made me laugh. Sadly.