To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

[Laudanumm]

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

There is already freight ferry’s to Ireland from Spain,

Oh well then - brexit will be a rip roaring success and the EU will crumble because it turns out there are already freight ferries from Ireland to Spain... except part of the EU planning is specifically about improving links with Ireland that cut out Britain - including the roro ferry to Spain. So obviously there is still room for improvement an expansion.

And it suddenly occurred to me there is also the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Portugal - all who can cut out Britain and go directly to the ROI.

Currently most of Ireland's exports headed for the EU go through Britain. That is a fact. they are making plans to change that. That is a fact. This means ferry and freight companies will adapt to reflect this - or turn to look in the other direction towards all the other EU nations.

We are one of 28 countries, who is pulling out and going it alone. The remaining 27 nations will simply reshape themselves around the hole we leave and move on. We will be left behind - unable to do the same.

There is no way brexit can harm the EU to anywhere near the same extent as it can harm us. Because we are the ones pulling out of the worlds largest single market and most powerful trading bloc. They will remain the worlds largest single market and most powerful trading bloc.
HTH

We may all disagree with brexit however it has been voted for democratically.
If we don't get a deal, we won't stay in the EU they will just leave.
And that's what I'm scared about.

FishesaPlenty

Agreed, raw fuel won’t be affected getting into the country. But will the refinery’s be running? What about full truck drivers?

@FishesaPlenty , great news is we've never had petrol shortages here. Ever. That one about 20 years ago didn't happen, it was fake news. Our economy is absolutely not vulnerable to challenges.

We may all disagree with brexit however it has been voted for democratically.

But is it democracy for 52% of the population to tell 48% how it's going to be ?

Suppose all the women (33,377,700) in the UK decided they were going to tell all the men (32, 270,400) what to do ? Is that democracy too ? And if not, why is one case of 52/48 "democracy" and another not ?

There's an old joke about democracy being two wolves and a lamb deciding on dinner ....

There was no shortage of petrol, there was a distribution issue which caused a sudden huge spike in demand. Why would there be any distribution issue or huge spike in demand caused by queues at Calais?

Hmm I don’t actually think that Brexit will go ahead.
I think that when it’s attempted shit will hit the fan. I think there will be all sorts of chaos and I think that the government will decide it is not going to go ahead.

I think it’s mad that we were given a vote on such a huge decision, knowing that many who voted out did it because of thinly veiled racist views. We needed educating on what the outcome would/could mean if we were to leave the EU. So many people made a vote without really knowing the wider picture.

I agree hippo

If we don't get a deal, we won't stay in the EU they will just leave

That is why there is a campaign for a people's vote. So we can democratically decide if the deal is good enough/ if we accept the consequences of crashing out/ or if we want to stay in. rather than just having the consequences of this major change foisted on us from above - without any consultation bar the original (very vague) question.

Don't be scared. Be angry. And fight it.

I know we've been utter dickheads - and the EU would be well within their rights to tell us to sod off - but they will allow us to change our minds at any point up to March 29th. For the sake of the Irish border - if not for our own.
Once we are officially out though, it is will be a slog to get back in. And much damage will be done in the meantime.

And FFS riots and food shortages, and the army on the streets in 21st century Britain? And due to something that we decided to do ourselves with no outside (bar Russian) influences? I don't actually need to worry about prepping because I can tell you right now, I will literally die from embarrassment.

@FishesaPlenty , if the economy has a hiccup, everyone feels it, including the people who work in petrol distribution. Retail sales would not be given priority over eg emergency services need for petrol if there are problems in the economy that have a knock on effect.
It's not all about Dover. That would just be a symptom.

Yes democracy so when one side wins regardless of the margin.
The vote for abortion is it ok for 70% to tell 30% what is going to happen, yes as they won.

I don't agree with brexit but we need to as the other poster said crack on and push for a good deal and a right to vote whether we stay or leave with the deal we had

Agreed, raw fuel won’t be affected getting into the country. But will the refinery’s be running? What about full truck drivers?

Exactly. there is nothing that doesn't require human involvement somewhere along the lines. International companies will not send truck loads of their raw material into rioting disaster land - and the drivers may well refuse to go, even if they were asked.
People this end won't be going to work once the rioting starts. Which means power and water companies will cease to function.

And then of course - don't we get a whole load of electrical power from France? have the govt actually sorted out that supply line continuing to run smoothly? They haven't sorted anything else...

Yes democracy so when one side wins regardless of the margin.

So the leader of the Tory party (for example) isn't democratically elected ?

With the abortion issue though, the 70% isn’t telling the 30% that they must terminate every subsequent pregnancy.

Exactly @NewMinouMinou . That vote was all about choice.

Icantreachthepretzels You go on about having another vote on the deal , I’ve no problem with that, but it has to agree the deal or leave, we has the the vote already to leave, It’s all a big mess the government should have negotiated before the referendum Vote.

I said that is democracy. So yes she is. Maybe read my posts and you would have understood what I was saying.

There's an article on sky news on TM on about a no deal scenario it's a good read.

Newminou- I think that the repeal vote was much different. People had a real understanding of what they were voting for/ against.
When it came to Brexit, how many people REALLY understood what they were voting for?

I really hope there will be a petrol shortage for several weeks. The roads would be lovely and quiet.

Food prices will go up but I doubt there will be any serious shortage (if there is it will be caused by people stockpiling and not because we have actually run out)

In any case whatever problems there are will be resolved fairly quickly and it's not going to be months of starvation

Why couldn't it be a 3 choice option. Two is always bad because it takes you into a dilemma. And frankly the dilemma is what's the least bad option.

I always thought a democracy was a progressive debate which included changing minds. And by the time this happens a majority of the electorate , given the changing demographic, won't want this. Imagine if a manifesto said, we want you to vote for something that we won't do for 5 - 10 years, but which point, you understand, the context within which you took your vote will have changed.

Siwel, that old trope of we need to crack on and get a good deal is so meaningless and I am fed up of hearing it from people who are too lazy to think properly about it.

The PP who mention the parallel to abortion was trying to say their is nuance in the vote result that can be read into the sort of majority the vote got. In ireland the majority was large so the new laws should reflect that majority i.e. more liberal access to abortion as opposed to only strict access, but it probably won't be as liberal as in the UK so 12 weeks as opposed to 24 weeks for example.

The same could be said of brexit, yes vote leave did win and while it would be could to see brexit stopped most remainers accept that this is going to happen. However if the sort of brexit the government was working towards was more democratically reflective of the will of the british people as a whole then they would not be pushing for such as hard brexit which many people do not want at all.

If we are all to get together and get the best deal possible then we need to have a proper debate, actually think about things and compromise.

We need a People's Vote on the actual deal, when that becomes clear in October. I'm starting to prep just in case, because this is not like the Millennium Bug - where we had thousands of IT experts working round the clock to prevent meltdown ... this time we've got Theresa, David Davis, Liam Fox and Boris ... help!!

Hmm I don’t actually think that Brexit will go ahead. I think that when it’s attempted shit will hit the fan. I think there will be all sorts of chaos and I think that the government will decide it is not going to go ahead.

You may be right, but it’s that chaos aspect you need to prepare for. It can soo easily snowball out of control.

Brexit cannot be stopped. If you voted for it, you created this. If, like me, you didn't, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

The same could be said of brexit, yes vote leave did win

by 4%. So to honour democracy, we need a 4% Brexit, not a 100% one.