I’m putting this out there. High heels.

[Undercoverbanana]

I think they are ugly and make women/girls look ridiculous. AIBU?

*ah. Sorry. Couldn’t really see for laughing!

So, some of you are of the opinion that wearing make up is perfectly acceptable and not a product of misogyny and the objectification of women, while wearing high heels almost certainly is. Amirite?

Not at all sure why you simply can not just let people wear what makes them happy.

Now now Lass stop sharing anecdotes. It isn’t allowed you know!

Yanbu!!!

Jacques

No, it’s incredibly difficult to do both those things in make up because your face sweats and feels generally awful because of the many layers of stuff all over it.

I’ve ‘had’ to wear make up twice in the last five or so years and it was awful, awfully restrictive, sweat inducing, and claustrophobic.

Doing things in make up (and high heels) is much more difficult than without them

I don't think the 'patriarchy' can be blamed anymore (could have in the past). As we've seen on this thread from the calls of jealousy towards women who don't wear heels, women are their own worst enemies.

No, it’s incredibly difficult to do both those things in make up because your face sweats and feels generally awful because of the many layers of stuff all over it.

Can’t say I’ve ever noticed during singing lessons or playing rugby

I’ve ‘had’ to wear make up twice in the last five or so years and it was awful, awfully restrictive, sweat inducing, and claustrophobic

Is that a anecdote?

And the use of the word "judgemental" is so silencing. Women are not allowed to question other women's choices or point out societal or internalised misogyny because they are accused of being "judgy".

And the opposite of heels isn't automatically ballet flats. There are great well supported heels/ flats out there without going to the extremes.

I wore heels every day from about 14 to 20, wore them everywhere including country walks Then one day I started riding motorbikes and found it difficult to change gear in them, so gave them up for chunky boots. I never looked back.

I find high heels difficult to walk in now, and I feel rather stupid tottering around in them anyway. I do wonder why so many women still bother with them when they do seem like the modern equivalent of a corset - causing discomfort and sometimes deformity in the name of 'beauty'

Lass

I trim my pubic hair otherwise it causes me rashes and discomfort so I will look forward to that stage of life!

Point still stands. The act of removing hair is to make the body look younger. Unless you think we buy into Botox, wrinkle creams, smoothing pastes and other stuffs to look younger, but shave our body hair off to look like a 69 year old woman?

I have flat feet and completely flat shoes can cause me more discomfort than a small heel.

I find it interesting you think you had to wear makeup. I don’t think anyone HAS to wear make up

Colours

The patriarchy comes from women as well.

Such is the nature of society.

Jacques

You seem to have precisely nothing to add to this conversation and you’re just goady. Won’t work on me, I’m afraid :-) best move on.

"I don’t think anyone HAS to wear make up"
Tell that to women cabin crew and many women in customer facing jobs. And many women who don't actually have to confidence to buck societal expectations.

Won’t work on me, I’m afraid :-) best move on

Translated as I can’t answer?

Cool beans. Keep fighting the good fight

Thank god I'm tall, that's my excuse for never, ever wearing the horrid things.

you don't need an excuse though, you don't like heels so you don't wear them. End of - no excuse or 'justification' needed.
High heels are not uniform.

Tell that to women cabin crew and many women in customer facing jobs

Fair point although doesn’t seem to apply to the poster in question as she’s only “had” to do it a couple of times.

I like to wear make up sometimes. I never have to.

I should admit that the main reason I don't wear high heels has little to do with my feminism. I am tall, and I reached my full adult height at the age of 12. And then I married a man shorter than me. I've spent most of my adult life trying to minimize the appearance of my height, not add to it.

Jacques

Yes it’s exacrly that. I’m refusing to answer your ‘questions’

I actually couldn’t give a shiny shit if you fee the same as me, believe the same as me or agree with me. That you feel you somehow need to is tedious and boring. It’s just not something I care enough about. Feel free to claim ‘victory’ Though. I really, honestly don’t care.

Extreme high heels where feet are at an almost vertical angle rarely look good, IMO, especially when walking but a more moderate high heel can look very elegant.

One of my DDs has very strong calf muscles - naturally and from years of dancing - and she can run in heels, gracefully. I’ve seen her do it on cobblestones on a hill :/ Her work requires trainers so she likes to dress up more in her free time. Her sister hates heels, falls off them like Bambi on the ice , so has bought pretty flats for her forthcoming wedding. Each to their own.

I used to wear mid height courts with my corporate suits - felt perfectly comfortable but I was happy to leave them behind when I went p/t and worked from home. I wore flats for years, dressy as well as casual, but tried on a pair of block heeled boots last year ( still not tottering but much higher than I was used to ) and it was a revelation. They are very comfortable but I feel that the angle has improved my gait and I am walking and standing in a more physically confident position ( nothing to do with extra height or slenderness )

I agree, fugly things that look awful. just look at how the models waddle and crash along and how the female celebs stand with feet and legs twisted.

but it is a free country, and teetering along arse-out like a pregnant duck is allowed.

Not wearing heels equals only wearing crocs and DM's and shopping exclusively in the men's department

That's not remotely what I said.

I would just like to know the point I slip over the line of making my own free choices to being a handmaiden of the patriarchy mindlessly performing femininty.

MN, particularly FWR, is full of women saying (boasting ?) they never wear dresses, never wear anything feminine- they see through and are above all that patriarchy pleasing nonsense. Where is the crossover point ?

YABU - look great and are worn brilliantly, walked it gracefully. eg wedding guests

YANBU - some are worn badly, dont fit, way too high - eg on the feet of nightclubers falling out drunk as pictured in the DailyFail on a bank holiday weekend