I’m putting this out there. High heels.

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I think they are ugly and make women/girls look ridiculous. AIBU?

I would just like to know the point I slip over the line of making my own free choices to being a handmaiden of the patriarchy mindlessly performing femininty.

For some there is no point at which a woman can make her own choices Lass. They are either Victim or Oppressor/Handmaiden. It's a bit like the Madonna/Whore dichotomy. Used by those who cannot see women as individual people and instead can only see them in relation to men/patriarchy. It's a bit misogynist really.

I love them. I They can finish off an outfit and make me feel more powerful. Some of them are ugly and uncomfortable, but so are some flats.

Ah! Sorry Bertram, that should have been what each other is wearing not their looks! 😂 Can't do MN at the same time as watching TV apparently 🤗😂

I do agree that society has made it difficult for women not to conform and that many find it hard to ignore the judgement and pressure that society puts on them, me included sometimes.

Oh, my bad, you believe you asked me, Well, I can't answer that I'm afraid, I only know why I do.

However I don't think women are expected to these days, are they?

and I sincerely hope that this Because they can't be doing it for themselves. Don't you get that? is sarcasm yes?*

I think that was my comment- if it is, of course it was sarcastic. I got a gold star from KittenBeast for it.

Okay. I try and think about things in a wider context than ‘I just do it’ which is precisely why I stopped shaving my legs and armpits :D

They are absolutely no worse than the horror of “ballerina pumps” which never fit properly, they slip and slide off the foot and you have to cling on with your toes to keep the fuckers on.

Wear what you want, personally I hate flat shoes for formal occasions or more glamorous events. A nice frock teamed with a flat ballet pump. Bork

As far as I'm concerned, the far worse enemy, as they are far more uncomfortable for me, are jeans. Something which men and women equally wear, and which in their skinny and superskinny forms are pure torture (and also apparently not good for testicular health or something).

I'd far far rather wear a pair of heels on a night out than a pair of jeans.

I asked you what other reason there was for the act of shaving all body hair off. Could you (or anyone else) answer that please?

I genuinely don't like the feeling of hair all over my nether regions.

It itches, it pulls in my underwear when I'm running or working out, I sweat more and have to change my underwear twice a day when I'm hairy, I also happen to think it's more pleasurable during sex.

None of these reasons is anything to do with what it looks like or what men think or what society expects.

I've being doing it for the last 20 years, so we'll before it became widely popular and fashionable.

CantankerousCamel In an earlier post I explained why I do it, I cant bear the feeling of hair on my legs, armpits I'm not arsed about, I let it get long so I can wax every couple of months because, perhaps oddly, I derive immense satisfaction from it. Couldn't give a toss about pubes but my OH trims his. Different strokes and all that.

For immediate damage, flip-flops are the worst. Some of the damage I’ve seen from someone failing over in flip flops is crazy

I thought it was @LassWiADelicateAir from your other posts, but sometimes I can't tell

I don’t really care what other people wear.

The aspect of it that seems ridiculous to me is that there are still jobs where women are expected or required to wear high heels. They can damage the feet if worn long-term, and they impose greater restrictions on speed and ease of mobility than most other types of shoe - forcing women into them as part of a work uniform or professional dress is not reasonable.

I guess that should say that I don’t care what other people choose to wear.

Thanks Dione (your post at 17.42) at least I got 1 answer !

They are absolutely no worse than the horror of “ballerina pumps” which never fit properly, they slip and slide off the foot and you have to cling on with your toes to keep the fuckers on

They don't suit your foot type. I don't have any of those problems with them.

Babdoc
If some daft women want to hobble their feet in painful and damaging shoes that they can barely walk in, in order to please men, that’s their choice. Rather like Victorian whalebone corsets, or foot binding- it’s a useful identifier for idiots who have sold out to the patriarchy!

I missed that post but yes - what a spectacular display of ignorance and arrogance. I recommend this to educate yourself Babcoc.

www.goodreads.com/book/show/1224588.A_Visit_From_The_Footbinder_And_Other_Stories

The world is divided into two sorts of people- the sort who think that all our decisions and choices are driven to a greater or lesser degree by societal expectations and our socialisation - and those who think that we make choices in an entirely influence-free bubble. And never the twain shall meet.

In response to the posters asking why would I choose to wear heels that restrict me and cause permanent damage....

because I don't find that they do restrict me! I can walk in heels, I can run (if I need to) and try to buy ones that are fairly comfortable. I have some flat sandals and pumps that cause me more pain both in my achilles through lack of support and through rubbing than some of my heels.

I also don't wear heels all day every day. I'd say maybe 60% time in winter and 30% time in summer? I see a podiatrist regularly and after 25(ish) years of heel wearing I don't have ANY problems that have been caused by heel wearing.

Frangi your issues with flats is caused by your love of heels

I'm going to a wedding next week, I'll be wearing a dress, and heels, and I'm having my hair done, I'll probably shave my legs beforehand, too. I've clearly had my mind warped by society. I think I should instead attend in a hessian sack, holding a placard that reads 'fuck the patriarchy'

Wear what you want, personally I hate flat shoes for formal occasions or more glamorous events. A nice frock teamed with a flat ballet pump. Bork

I don't see anything wrong with wearing patent or sequinned or sparkly pumps with a dressy dress.

Oh and hi Bertrand, I haven't seen you around much, nice to see you (no sarcasm)

Kitten Are you playing a game with yourself to see how spectacularly you can miss the point?

Frangi your issues with flats is caused by your love of heels

Why is it so difficult to accept that SOME
women don't find SOME heels uncomfortable or that we do actually find SOME flat shoes uncomfortable? FFS.

I don't have "issues" with flats. I have issues with certain pairs of sandals and pumps that I own, there's a big difference.

I've spent the last week in nothing but trainers, no issues whatsoever because they're supportive.

So no, my "issues" are not caused by heels.

The reason you feel a lack of support is because your Achilles is shortened by wearing heels.

This is just reality, not judgment, no need to get all upset.

The right heel looks great on the right woman,and can enhance an outfit
Clearly one needs to be able to walk in the heels and not look like a builder on a stag do