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To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

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Amanda18e · 01/06/2018 19:38

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

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Notintheframe · 02/06/2018 10:27

Tryharderrepeat, religious bigotry is not racism. Islam is a religion and not a race. Christians come in all colours. Muslims come in all colours. Many Asians are Christians. Many whites are Muslims.

Why do people mix xenophobia, religious bigotry, and racism? There are overlaps but they are patently not the same.

Tommy Robinson is an idiot. He has received the right punishment. I think it should have been harsher. The problem he is seeking to highlight is an issue that should not be dismissed. Saying other races have paedophile gangs is not the answer. There is a cultural element involved that must be confronted by the Pakistani community. The thinking about young white women and women in general.

The Quilliam Foundation is headed by Maajid Narwaz. He is a Muslim and is often on LBC radio. He really speaks honestly about this problem. Most times I can't stand Maajid but he does very well in being open, honest and bold when talking about his faith - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Maajid is super qualified to speak about these issues. Not just because he is a Muslim but he has lived in the Middle East, studied his region and his faith to an impressive level.

But I digress. Tommy Robinson is racist and not just anti-islam. It's their skin colour that bothers him most and not their religion.

goodbyeeee · 02/06/2018 10:28

Sorry cross posts there.

lifechangesforever · 02/06/2018 10:30

Yes, YABU.

The guy is a racist, using the cover of 'free speech'.

greenvalleys · 02/06/2018 10:31

mustbe I don't know that much about him but as far as I was aware he is against the spread of Islam in Britain....therefore as the grooming/rapist gangs are muslims then to him that surely comes under the same umbrella?

kalapattar · 02/06/2018 10:35

I see the OP has started a thread about Tommy Robinson and not come back to it. And their first post as well.

Seems to be a recent pattern of new posters who are appearing on MN just to discuss him and then not coming back.

Anyone would think MN was being used by the alt-right.

mustbemad17 · 02/06/2018 10:39

greenvalleys to him most likely. Who knows? He forgets that there are many, many followers of Islam who are white...he only seems to target those with non white skin.

user1457017537 · 02/06/2018 10:40

I am sorry but the argument that the trial would have been reported once it was over doesn’t fly. We knew about Rolf Harris, Max Clifford et al before, during and after. Why was this trial different.

kalapattar · 02/06/2018 10:46

I am sorry but the argument that the trial would have been reported once it was over doesn’t fly

There have been plenty of trials like this that have had reporting restrictions for valid reasons that have been reported once related trials have concluded.

And there are cases such s Rolf Harris which haven't needed restrictions.

You do understand why some trials have reporting restrictions, don't you?

mustbemad17 · 02/06/2018 10:53

Yes, let's just completely disregard the threat to the victims so that the public can hear all the gory details during the trial. Let's also put several other trials at risk - fuck the victims of those too - so that the rest of the UK can be kept up to date.

If there was a mistrial the country would be up in arms screaming about it...but trying to protect the case(s) has people screaming too? Bonkers

Childrenofthesun · 02/06/2018 10:57

I am sorry but the argument that the trial would have been reported once it was over doesn’t fly. We knew about Rolf Harris, Max Clifford et al before, during and after. Why was this trial different.

Good grief, this has been explained over and over again in this thread. Any sensitive trial where media reporting could prejudice the outcome is subject to a temporary reporting ban. There are many, many trials which are only reported on after the verdict. There are also many, many trials which can be reported on throughout as media reporting would not be deemed as prejudicing the case.

It is very frustrating when people have the facts and the law explained to them but refuse to listen because they have already made up their minds based on some emotive crap they read on social media. See also: Brexit.

kalapattar · 02/06/2018 10:58

Let's also put several other trials at risk - fuck the victims of those too - so that the rest of the UK can be kept up to date

From what I understand, that's a common reason for reporting restrictions - as there may be several related trials so the jury needs to be unaware of other trials as this might prejudice the trial they are involved with.

mustbemad17 · 02/06/2018 11:03

kalapattar i think that's probably one of the most common reasons tbh. But those screaming about media blackout obviously don't get that bit

user1457017537 · 02/06/2018 11:05

Well you can think what you want and I shall believe what I want. The poster who assumes we want reporting restrictions lifted so we can hear the salacious details, don’t judge everyone by your own standards.

Childrenofthesun · 02/06/2018 11:05

Other notable trials that have been subject to reporting restrictions include those of Poppi Worthington, Baby P and Fred and Rose West.

kalapattar · 02/06/2018 11:06

Well you can think what you want and I shall believe what I want

For you.

Childrenofthesun · 02/06/2018 11:08

Well you can think what you want and I shall believe what I want.

And this is why we have people up in arms that a person who broke the law was sent to prison. Too many people who just believe what they want rather than understanding the law.

mustbemad17 · 02/06/2018 11:09

Yes, i want the restrictions lifted because secretly i want to know the gory stuff, it's why i'm so flabbergasted at posts calling for the ban to be lifted 🤔

If that were your daughter in the witness stand - a victim who the ban was protecting - i'd suggest you would have a different view on things. Especially if some bozo running his mouth off potentially meant no justice for her

liverbird10 · 02/06/2018 11:11

Tommy Robinson is a .

Notintheframe · 02/06/2018 11:11

Greenvalleys, if he is against the spread of Islam, then he would not be equating the spread of a religious thought to the spread of Pakistani Asian men. To spread throughout the UK, people of all races and gender would be adopting Islam. So it is very unclear what he is supposedly opposed if it is the spread of Islam yet his focus is on Pakistani men.

Mixing religious bigotry and racism enable people like Tommy to obfuscate things and by so doing prevent honest discussions. Worse, confusing legitimate concerns about particular religious thought and practice with racism means we cannot move forward as a country to address the problems.

There are issues with Islam in the West that should not be ignored. The problems must be robustly challenged. The can be without accusation of religious bigotry or racism. However, people like Tommy and his racist band of merry men and women make it very difficult. These people are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

geeewhizz · 02/06/2018 11:19

DaphneFanshaw

Comments like that are exactly why TR has such a huge following. So you'd prefer not to have to mix even in cyberspace with the great unwashed? The... shudder... working class. Yikes.

A Sikh 'citizen reporter' did exactly the same as TR. Read out the names even. Funny how he wasn't considered to be increasing the risk of a mistrial. The state have been out to get TR for a decade, that's why these unintelligent people who just don't have the incredible insight and knowledge of some of the sneering brigade on here have their doubts.

The jury had already retired when he appeared outside court.

WhistlerGrey · 02/06/2018 11:22

www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/tommy-robinson-grooming-gangs-britain-persecutes-journalist/

I thought this piece by Douglas Murray very good and well worth reading.

I also think Murray is quite right to say it is time we stop referring to them by the euphemism 'grooming gangs'. They are rape gangs.

kalapattar · 02/06/2018 11:24

It doesn't help when people like Hopkins are given platforms in the US to spread their lies and misinformation about this.

It wouldn't surprise me if Robinson is given a platform on Fox to discuss his opinions with no challenge - after he is released.

geeewhizz · 02/06/2018 11:25

Notintheframe

What evidence do you have for his racism?

BrilliantDarling · 02/06/2018 11:30

To all the people who can't stand him, I'm curious to know, do you get all your information just from the mainstream news?