To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

Now who’s taking nonsense tess clearly you have never heard of the Quilliam Foundation. Maybe you should look it up, it’s quite forward thinking

@Whattheactualfuckmate

Is South American a race?

@Whattheactualfuckmate

Do you not have the ability to put forward your own coherent argument? Why do you keep trying to send me off on Google?

I'll tell you what. You coherently summarise what the Quilliam Foundation is and I will Google it and look further into it. Try to be succinct but not too vague.

Still scratching ..

@Whattheactualfuckmate

I don't know what scratching means.

Why would you ask me to look into something if you don't know what it is?

TR is an idiot who is not doing any favours to highlighting a specific problem, what he is doing is stirring up division and preying on a subject to inject more racism into the nation - which appears to have run away with a free ticket for racist beliefs lately based on the actions of a small proportion "claiming" to be Muslim.

It's not true that all the men are Pakistani. Various other ethnicities have been involved - the common denominator is they generally claim to be "Muslim" men, these gangs and generally seem to target non religious vulnerable white girls.

There is a massive problem. It's not racist to recognise this specific group of men target this specific group of girls. It's not racist to explore that they hold a particular form of religious idealogy that views non religious people as acceptable to exploit and abuse.

It is however racist to decide Muslims believe this. In Christianity you have your Phelps style extremists who manipulate specific texts to create misery in a way they want to and justify it as simply living out their faith.

There are plenty of law abiding, caring Muslims and even Muslim men who are appalled at what's happened/happening and sadly are victims themselves of racism and prejudice due to the actions of pedophiles.

It's clear racism in society when we have to tarnish all of a particular religion, yet don't do the same with another. Children of God? Why are not all Christian men now viewed with suspicion of being pedophiles?

There's tons of Christian cults who've also had CSE cases. But we always view them as just that "group of them" whereas tarnish all Muslims!

Google it yourself and you might find something enlightening

Tell me what it is and I will.

Also can you tell me why the white race is defined by colour but the Asian race defined by continent?

All I am asking you to do is explain your own statements. I can't dumb it down for you any further.

I think everybody just wants to get outraged and say "oh it's because they're muslim, that's why we can't talk about it". But no one has stopped anybody from talking about it once the trial is over; "tommy" robinsons behaviour could've completely wrecked the trial, meaning the victims would've had to have gone through all of this all over again.
Similar reporting restrictions happen on all types of cases regardless of the religion or ethnicity of the accused.

Don't hold your breath Tess, he/she/they clearly aren't capable of much more than an ad hominem.

@DepressedOtter

I don't understand why they keep saying that nobody else is talking about it.

It was the subject of a critically acclaimed BBC drama that cleaned up at the Baftas (iirc), it has had numerous front pages and is always the subject of internet interest.

It's utterly baffling.

@SpitefulMidLifeAnimal

Innit though?

I know what Quilliam is. I would guess I know a little bit more than other poster seeing I know what it's actually called.

I just wanted to see them try and explain the concept of a think tank.

Owt for a laugh.

OP: he was not arrested for exposing grooming gangs or speaking out about the nature of grooming gangs. He was arrested for potentially prejudicing the trial of grooming gangs.

The press ban was on place to preserve the success of the ongoing trial. People ‘in contempt ‘ can cause a trial to be halted by prejudicing the jury.

People need to understand this.

He's certainly bringing the world’s attention to the U.K.’s dirty little going on's.

I don't understand why they keep saying that nobody else is talking about it.

Everybody is talking about it. Some are very carefully trying to avoid making any religious links which is a bit daft but also dangerous and contributed to the whole situation from decades ago

Some are very stupidly trying to make any and every religious/cultural link which is utter racist stupidity

But EVERYBODY is talking about it. Before TR pulls any publicity stunts

Loose women has had victims on, girls have written books, there's been tons of documentaries, the enquiry, families have campaigned

It's not being swept quietly under a carpet by any means

He's a fuckwit and so is anyone who defends him.

@Whattheactualfuckmate
Do you actually know any real muslims apart from fake ones like maajid nawaz and his 'i like to get approval from racists' Quilliam bollox foundation?

Look how much funding Maajid and Quilliam get from pro Israel groups:
Do you really think Maajid can be trusted and not just saying whatever is convenient in order to win 'white man's' approval?

www.loonwatch.com/2017/03/06/maajid-nawaz-and-quilliam-the-money-trail-behind-the-propaganda/

Hmm, the Quilliam Foundation which describes itself as left of centre and then takes money from right wing Christian Groups. It's a little odd.

Other than that Stephen Yaxley Lennon broke the law. Again.

The Quilliam Report has been robustly debunked on more than one occasion and is still used by the racist press in this country to point out how "87% of all grooming gangs in the UK are Pakistani men". FFS.

medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3

A pretty good paper discussing the many, many things that are wrong with the QR.

From the paper:

Rafiq and Adil’s theory that Asian-Muslims are targeting white girls for sexual exploitation because a) The girls are white b) The offenders are of Pakistani background and c) The offenders are Muslim, is recklessly inflammatory and simply not supported by the scant evidence they provide. Such a brazen attempt to force public policy to racially-profile British Asian Muslims betraysallvictims of CSE, but especially the children from the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) community whom Quilliam have rendered invisible through their report. In their 2012 report, the OCCwarnsagainst exactly this:

“We have heard myths that only white girls are exploited and as a result we have evidence of black and minority ethnic victims being ignored. Boys too often remain invisible victims, as the assumption is that only girls are subjected to these assaults. We have spoken with victims who begged for help and no one listened or took the actions necessary to meet their needs”.

Morning! Just popped in to collect my halo if there are still some spare? I'll polish it myself 😊

I actually am struggling with some of the posts on here, either some commenters are really thick brainwashed or they are just as fucked up as the troglodyte hero that is TR. Just because TR himself hasn't been convicted of CA, the mere fact he has actually defended members of his own little posse after being accused AND convicted of various offences says it all. If you really gave an actual shit about the victims of CA & wanted to make the country more aware you would scream & shout about all paedos - this muppet only screams about the non whites. If that right there doesn't tell you what you need to know, then i'm afraid you are beyond help.

TR, the knight in shining armour...unless you're a woman who he takes the hump with then he tries to beat you to death or you're non white. Yay, my hero 🤔

You can clutch your pearls all you like and say that mumsnet has changed, but posters realise that freedom of speech is at stake. You can say he is a racist, but at the end of the day would we have known about this trial, I don’t think it would have been reported.

User given there is at least one reporter sitting in on this trial your assertion that we would never have heard of it is as baseless as TR claims - the Fail lap this stuff up so it's also probably worth the while of a freelance sitting in as a guaranteed payday.
As had been repeatedly stated the court-ordered reporting restrictions are to protect the integrity of the trials.

Also Freedom of Speech does not mean you can be an utter gobshite say what you want unchallenged, it means the government can not interfere with your opinions, no matter how stupid the rest of us think they are.

You can say he is a racist, but at the end of the day would we have known about this trial, I don’t think it would have been reported

There are many trials that are reported ONCE the trial has ended.

Real journalists understand why we have reporting restrictions.
Racists like Robinson and Hopkins don't. But they aren't real journalists. They are racists with a camera and a platform.

Of course it would have been reported as the restriction is TEMPORARY. It would have been lifted when the risk of prejudice had gone as has been explained numerous times now.....