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To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

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Amanda18e · 01/06/2018 19:38

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

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corythatwas · 01/06/2018 22:52

anyone know of a good brand of halo polisher?

AndIWouldWalk500Yards · 01/06/2018 22:54

And if you are going to set yourself up as a campaigner against Child Sexual Expolitation then you campaingn against all of it. Not just one part which involves brown people.

What has TR done to stop UK males travelling to Thailand, Vietnam etc to abuse vulnerable children?

What has TR done to stop UK males using social media to groom vulnerable children in the UK?

What has TR done to inform children in the UK how to report abuse from family members/friends?

Let me guess. Nothing.

corythatwas · 01/06/2018 22:55

daddy, if anyone has shown contempt for the working class it's you: suggesting that if TR (a known criminal) does anything untoward it must be because he is led astray and has others pulling his string and linking this supposed openness to being manipulated to his class

kalapattar · 01/06/2018 23:02

Let me guess. Nothing

You'd almost think that just like Hopkins, they don't give a shit about VAWG unless they think it involves Muslims. Then they are all over it.

AndIWouldWalk500Yards · 01/06/2018 23:04

daddy I'm working class you utter arsehole. Wft are you talking about? You clearly think the working classes are stupid. We aren't. However I will give way to you. You clearly know better. You are quite clearly stupid.

daddypigsnoexpert · 01/06/2018 23:04

@cory, twist what I said all you like. Do you think rebel media gives a fuck about working class girls from the UK? that's what I meant by that. By his strings being pulled. That media outlet is all about drumming up right wing support, surely? most of the supporters that agree with Tommy Robinson are the Labour Party's core vote! That's why we have a tory government, Labour ignores the working class. I hate the tribalism that is happening right now. Majority of people just want fairness

Justanotherlurker · 01/06/2018 23:05

Anyone who can read that string of convictions and still feels able to defend him really doesn't seem capable of informed reasoning.

I think people are trying to point holes in the judiciary system to be honest, although rather bluntly.

I think this
twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1000120175499382784?s=19

and the secret barrister show why he was put in prison.

thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/

And I know that in this case there was multiple linked trials and the judge was concerned that there's be cross-contamination etc.

But to the people demonstrating they see front page headlines and paparazzi around Rolf Harris and Cliff Richard before it gets to trial, they have sussed the silly game. The tabloids make sure to put alleged before saying what he is accused of, and that apparently doesn't affect the jury?

corythatwas · 01/06/2018 23:06

I hate the tribalism that suggests that all Muslims must be different from all white people and all in exactly the same way.

Anniegetyourgun · 01/06/2018 23:06

Spooky, birdsdestiny, I must have one too. Lot of us really boring righteous people about, eh? People who never made a mistake in their lives. Or more accurately, people who have never been convicted of a crime. Or even, people who have been convicted of fewer than 10 crimes in the last decade. Let those who are without sin cast the first stone.

daddypigsnoexpert · 01/06/2018 23:11

No. The working class are not stupid at all. But people banging on about stupidity and the right to vote, pissed me off. Sorry, 'uninformed'.

tryharderrepeat · 01/06/2018 23:12

Just dropping in to ask where we collect halos for not having long strings of convictions?

I'd bloody love a halo. If you'll polish it for me... even better!

ilovesooty · 01/06/2018 23:15

Perhaps we can get a discount on bulk buying of halo polish.

corythatwas · 01/06/2018 23:19

So if TR is not stupid, daddy, why would he not be responsible for his own decisions to act illegally?

As for Muslims all being the same, just remind me what was the background of the lawyer who went against previous decisions and initiated the prosecutions of the Rochdale gang? Who spoke out against timidness in tackling abuse by the Asian community? Known track record of upholding women's rights? Yup, practising Muslim. Who incidentally was exposed to threats and demands to have him deported by the far right.

AndIWouldWalk500Yards · 01/06/2018 23:20

Oh come on daddy a lot of them are, and I hate to say it. Don't you remember when a mob smashed up a paediatricians's office because they thought her name plate said she was a paedophile? I mean really how fucking stupid can you get?? Like paedophiles have brass plates on their office doors....

www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society

daddypigsnoexpert · 01/06/2018 23:24

@cory, I hate the naivety that thinks you can bring a group of men into a country where women can vote and have sexual freedom and equal pay, and are classed politically as equal to men (debatable) and expect everything to go smoothly, ridiculous. Have you ever heard of that saying 'we are all a product of our environment?' If you are brought up in Afganistan or Pakistan where women are second class citizens, men just cant control themselves, they NEED sex, then brought to England where women can wear what they want, dress how they like, for fucks sake we can have sex if we like. This is a complete contrast to what they were used to. When you add in Islamic teachings that tell you non muslim women are legit sex slaves.(The quaran is free to read online) read it. Fuck off with diversity shit. I don't dislike muslims, I think the ideology is bullshit and contradicts western beliefs

AndIWouldWalk500Yards · 01/06/2018 23:24

We are sadly surrouded by the thickies. I fucking despair.

Justanotherlurker · 01/06/2018 23:25

@corythatwas

I think your conveniently ignoring the problems, death threats and demands to have him deported from across the political spectrum actually, I suggest you do a bit more background reading.

AndIWouldWalk500Yards · 01/06/2018 23:27

www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society

daddypigsnoexpert · 01/06/2018 23:30

@Andiwould, I'm sorry you are not very clever, but I would allow you a vote, simply for being human. Nobody is better than anyone else. I'm sad you think you are. good luck

HippyChickMama · 01/06/2018 23:32

What @Caribou58 said. Also, by being filmed outside the court was he not risking exposing the victims who have every right to anonymity?

corythatwas · 01/06/2018 23:38

Justanotherlurker, how does the fact that he received death threats from across the political spectrum (including Muslims) prove that all Muslims are the same? He was clearly quite different from the idea of Muslims that daddy is portraying. That was my point.

daddy the quran is free online, but so is the Bible. Which also makes pretty depressing reading for women if you approach it from a fundamentalist angle. Fortunately not all Christians do. Any more than all Muslims read the quran in the same way.

If you are going to use your own reading to decide what all Muslims are like, then you'd better read the Old Testament in the same way to find out what Westerners are like.

Or alternatively, you could get to know some real people, and then you might find out that there are fundamentalist Christians and liberal Christians, there are fundamentalist Muslims and liberal Muslims and even feminist Muslims. All sorts of different people.

NotACleverName · 01/06/2018 23:41

I dunno about anyone else, but my halo is pretty fucking shiny. Given that I’ve never attempted to prejudice a trial, committed ABH or mortgage fraud... 😇

MsMotherOfDragons · 01/06/2018 23:42

YABU

Gilead · 01/06/2018 23:46

Daddy you might want to brush up on a bit of Deuteronomy.

JustABrokenDoll · 01/06/2018 23:54

Good old Tommy.

He's been convicted of assault twice btw.

Once against a fellow EDL member and once against an off duty police officer who was trying to stop Tommy from beating the shit out of his girlfriend during a domestic.

Lovely fellow, salt of the earth. Just understood inneee?

To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong