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To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

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Amanda18e · 01/06/2018 19:38

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 01/06/2018 20:52

Can someone enlighten me about the child-abusing mates please? I'm afraid I missed that.

Gilead · 01/06/2018 20:55

[https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/english-defence-league-activist-from-milton-keynes-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-10-year-old-girl-1-8395579] Here you go, Bore

Gilead · 01/06/2018 20:56

[https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/english-defence-league-activist-from-milton-keynes-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-10-year-old-girl-1-8395579]
Bugger! Grin

Gilead · 01/06/2018 20:57

Hallelujah!

Nodnol · 01/06/2018 20:59

GySgtHartman said it best.

MycatsaPirate · 01/06/2018 20:59

The Daily Fail currently have an article about the 'faaassands of Tommy supporters' marching in Leeds demanding his release.

I won't post the link.

But I am having so much fun baiting his supporters.

FASH84 · 01/06/2018 21:02

@Caribou58 stole your post because it is absolutely clear and concise.

  1. 'Robinson' (not his real name) broke the law. He had a suspended sentence and was therefore sent to prison.
  2. The press can and have reported his actions and sentence.
  3. His actions risked causing a mistrial and abandonment of the charges against alleged (I use this word because British justice says I must, until and unless they are found guilty in that court) rapists/groomers/paedophiles involved.
  4. There are court reporting restrictions on this case UNTIL it is over - then anyone can report on its details and outcome.
  5. That (4) is NOT to "protect" those alleged to have committed the offences, it is to ensure that they get a fair trial so that if found guilty, they have no recourse to appeal on the grounds that their case was prejudiced by twats shouting and filming outside whilst those involved in the case itself - including jurors - were entering and leaving.

Now - are we clear on this

^ absolutely this. Also funny how he didn't do the same when the senior member of the EDL was in court for similar charges. I work in the justice system (with sex offenders and DV perps) and the vast vast majority of sex offenders are white British born males, but don't let that put you off your daily mail folks.... 🙄

BoreOfWhabylon · 01/06/2018 21:09

Thank you Gilead and Portia

kalapattar · 01/06/2018 21:11

Katie Hopkins is on his side
So is Roseanne

He broke the law. He is not a journalist despite what's being claimed in the US media. He is a racist who has broken the law and who is supported by racists.

MadMags · 01/06/2018 21:13

Can anyone explain briefly what this is all about? Not on our news.

FASH84 · 01/06/2018 21:13

Also just this, he's not a defender of anything he's a convicted hooligan with a number of violent offences, throw in drugs charges, mortgage fraud, using a false passport to get into the USA (immigration irony anyone?) and a few others and tell me he's a respectable defender of the public interest!

To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong
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EstherMumsnet · 01/06/2018 21:15

We've had a lot of reports about this thread. We've taken a look and we think the OP poses a legitimate question on the use of press bans and contempt of court. We're keeping an eye on it though to check that it doesn't stray into any of the areas that threads about Tommy Robinson often stray into, so do feel free to report anything you feel crosses the line and that we need to look at.

Iflyaway · 01/06/2018 21:16

Holy shit.The demographic on MN really has changed hasn’t it.

God yes. How creepy.

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum....

kalapattar · 01/06/2018 21:20

Tommy Robinson broke the law. There is plenty of reporting of sexual abuse cases involving grooming after the cases have been through court. Reporting restrictions happen for reason.

BibbityBobbityBollocks · 01/06/2018 21:22

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daddypigsnoexpert · 01/06/2018 21:36

I understand why Tommy was arrested. I watched the live feed when he was outside of the court in Leeds. The trial was ongoing. He should have waited until the verdict came out. He was in the wrong. He knew he was in the wrong. I like Tommy Robinson, I just feel like hes a working class lad who sees a lot of shit that has gone wrong with multiculturalism, as in grooming gangs. He has not had the 'education' and I don't mean that in a patronising way to realise how the media works, and how there is a huge 'left wing, right wing' tribalism shit going on 'encouraged' right now. I think his heartfelt intentions have been hijacked by insincere media outlets, and here we are. He knew he was going to go to jail. He should not have been filming outside that court. However, I do agree with a lot of what he says. Mixing cultures takes time and work, when certain people have been conditioned to think women are inferior, they will treat them as inferior. Pakistani grooming gangs, prime example. Did he deserve to go to jail? yes. I think there are people using him and pulling his strings. Is he a bad person. No

corythatwas · 01/06/2018 21:36

And not greatly to my surprise I see that this OP is the one and only occasion when the paths of Amanda18e and Mumsnet have crossed. Don't think we need worry greatly about the demographic.

AndIWouldWalk500Yards · 01/06/2018 21:39

The lack of education and awareness about how criminal trials are conducted in England is shocking.

The trial that TR protested outside is one of a numer of linked cases to the same grooming gang. The court cannot try them all at the same time, there are too many of them. He could have caused this case to collapse with the defendants claiming their right to a fair trial had been compromised, which could then have compromised the subsequent trials. He single handedly could have given a get out of jail free card to every single person on trial. Causing a mis-trial at a huge cost to the tax payer and making those poor victims have to give evidence again.

TR risked them all walking free on a technicality, which would have been a dreadful outcome for the victims giving evidence.

Nobody is covering anything up. The media can't report for the reasons above, which is to ensure that the court case is conducted properly and fairly. Once the trials are concluded it will be reported in the media, much like the trials of every other grooming gang. And if there was a cover up they wouldn't be up in court standing trial would they?

What terrifies me is that the hard of understanding are able to sit on juries. If they can't understand such basic details of law and legal procedures how the hell can they understand often complex evidence presented to them?

ilovesooty · 01/06/2018 21:43

That point about juries had occurred to me as well. I really worry about such uninformed and ignorant people being selected.

corythatwas · 01/06/2018 21:44

oh yeah, daddynopigs, a sweet innocent working class lad who just happens to have done time for mortgage fraud and time for immigration offences and to have been convicted of common assault

and who has never once been known to speak up about white paedophiles, or even speak out to distance himself from convicted members of his own party

kalapattar · 01/06/2018 21:45

I just feel like hes a working class lad who sees a lot of shit that has gone wrong with multiculturalism, as in grooming gang

I suspect he doesn't give a shit about VAWG unless it's committed by Muslims.

Anniegetyourgun · 01/06/2018 21:45

I think there are people using him and pulling his strings. Is he a bad person. No

What about the football hooliganism and the conviction for fraud, to take a couple of random examples? Who's making him do that stuff?