To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

Actually bib I was answering to the posts that were accusing people that were supporting TR with the usual garb. If you want to assume what you’ve accused me of then go ahead and purposely misinterpret my posts

He is an idiot.
He only cares about his own agenda.
If he cared about abused kids he'd be campaigning on the issue of child abuse, not child abuse by brown people.
He broke the law. Laws are there for a reason. He could have caused a mistrial.

@Whattheactualfuckmate given I've seen the problem first hand - try not to rubbish the views of people who've lived this. Thanks

user you don't really understand freedom of speech, do you...

Alison what makes you say it’s only a religious rally. I know for a fact hate preachers were present is it ok for them to spout hate because of their religious beliefs then. It was extremely intimidating even driving down Whitehall. With regard to Anonymous I really don’t think you get it at all, everyone should have the right to protest.

I was answering to the posts that were accusing people that were supporting TR with the usual garb

I think I need a translation

If he cared about abused kids he'd be campaigning on the issue of child abuse, not child abuse by brown people.
I don't like the man but campaigning on the issue of abused kids is only part of the big picture surely. He campaigns about the spread of Islam in Britain, usually islamists are brown?

“Indeed, it looks very much as if that was precisely what he wanted to achieve so that he could stir up even more trouble and publicity. Not only did that mean that potentially guilty men would have gone free, it would have essentially meant a total betrayal of the victims.”

Exactly.

To put it bluntly he cared more about stirring up hatred against Muslims than he does about young girls.

Girls and women are his canon fodder.

Well my point is @greenvalleys that he seems to claim to care about child abuse. He doesn't. He only cares about crimes which can be used to promote his agenda. If he cared about child abuse victims he would also be interfering in the trials of white paedophiles. The victims mean nothing to him.

“Do you really feel that 13 months' imprisonment was too harsh a sentence for that?”

I agree... And have you any idea how much a big police operation and trial like that costs? Probably into millions. TR was quite prepared to jettison our principles of a fair trial, the touchstone of the democratic society he purports to protect, in order to pursue his own venal hatred.

Hypocrite and anti-democrat.

User, please stop making stuff up. I didn't say it was a religious rally, and I didn't say Anonymous should be banned from protesting.

Although you seem to know a lot about a rally that you claim to have stumbled across when popping out for Sunday lunch in Whitehall.

Alison I was driving up to the West End via Westminster Bridge with DH and our friends. We literally crossed Westminster Bridge, went round Parliament Square and down Whitehall, our usual route. I wasn’t going to lunch in Whitehall, I was going to Dean Street in SoHo. I know a lot about it because I ended up in the middle of it! Whitehall was open for one lane of traffic and we ended up slap bang in the middle of it. Why else would I have been there, I’m not Muslim although I have good friends who are. I actually know it is a peaceful religion and all the people I have met have been lovely, generous people. Jihardi is different. What I saw was hate preaching in the middle of Whitehall. Anonymous were banned that night. The whole of the West End was diverted and police leave had been cancelled. I know this as a fact because someone I know from Hampshire had his leave cancelled and attended.

The panned Anonymous protest was a completely different occasion.

What really bothers me about TR and all the press surrounding it, is the sheer number of people blathering on like he’s some kind of political prisoner. He is not, he’s a nasty little man, who holds some abhorrent views, standing on a soap box causing trouble.

He was warned about “reporting” on court cases before, he knew the risks full well. He could have potentially derailed a trial, possibly denying victims justice.

Was he at Rolf Harris’ trial? Max Clifford’s? Has he been campaigning for justice for the people abused by priests, or in schools and care homes? Has he been anywhere near the trials of men abusing young footballers in the 70s and 80s? No, he hasn’t. He also hasn’t commented on one of his friends being convicted of child abuse.

TR cares not a jot about the victims of abuse. If he did, he wouldn’t risk their chance to see justice done.

He jumps on their cases, because it suits his agenda as an Islamophobe, and peddles the myth that all Muslim men are paedophiles. And people believe him, and seem to revere him as some kind of guru.

That so many people can be so unbelievably gullible and stupid is depressing. If you disagree with them you’ll be told you advocate paedophilia, that you agree with the abuse of young white girls.

What I hate is prejudice and intolerance in any form. If someone abuses a child, they need to go to prison. If someone breaks the law (TR) they need to go to prison. If someone stirs up hatred, they shouldn’t be given a public platform.

Have a look on Twitter, there’s a woman named aleesha (lower case a if you’re searching), she posted a small insight into the abuse she faces daily as a Muslim woman. This is a problem, that isn’t being reported. Why not?

Ironically, TR’s actions have caused the trial he was “reporting” on to be put under a gagging order, which means we’ll probably never know the outcome. I pray that justice is done, but let’s not pretend TR is anything other than a hate filled fear monger, whose only agenda is to incite hatred and Islamophobia. He’s not a hero, he’s a pathetic little man with a public platform and he’s loving every minute of it.

Interesting.

Just read this thread and decided to make my own mind up having previously regarded him as a bit of a nutter. Just watched his speech to the Oxford Union, and to my genuine surprise have changed my mind about him. He comes across very differently to what I expected.

Link here for anyone else who has an open mind.

Yes, he is articulate. A violent, articulate, convicted criminal.

Well everyone can make their own mind up can’t they.

Yes, he is articulate. A violent, articulate, convicted criminal.

He should be using that ability by going into politics and getting changes made peacefully. It may be slow, as we have found with many other contentious subjects, but that is the way it is done in our democracy.

Getting involved with groups of racist thugs, and jeopardising the trial of child rapists, is not the way to behave. That way leads to jail.

Yes, he is articulate. A violent, articulate, convicted criminal.

The suffragettes were violent articulate criminals. So was Nelson Mandela in his younger days. Didn't mean they were wrong. Quite the opposite.

Surely we should be able to separate out the message from the messenger and the means they use to deliver it?

@2boysDad so what is he right about? In your opinion.

Racism is racism, no matter how articulate or clever you are, it's still wrong.

If you really can't tell the difference between his convictions for dishonesty and violence. And he freely admits a lot of his behaviour was fuelled by alcohol, and the suffragettes there is little point in engaging in debate with you.

A lot of excuses have been made for his behaviour.
And not one of them holds water.

He was a criminal and is a criminal. There's a place for them. Prison.

Unicorns.

Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with everything he says does but I do think he's highlighted a big problem with religious nutters in his home-town and more importantly the fact that police did nothing to intervene.

A also think that although the sentence he's just been given "might" be justified there's been no effort by anyone in the legal system or the government to explain why. It's the absence of any explanation from the powers that be that has fuelled the conspiracy theories now doing the rounds...

AlisonCHaynes

The suffragattes were often arrested for breach-of-the-peace. It's a catch-all that the police have used for decades to arrest people that are regarded as undesirable.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with everything he says and does but I don't think he's quite the monster he's been portrayed as in the media. This kind of demonization is what fuels distrust of the media. I found the video (I posted higher in the thread) very disturbing and enlightening, if you haven't watched it already could I suggest you do?

"there is little point in engaging in debate with you."... Well there is. I have conflicted views on this guy and what's happened to him. I'm open to a different point of view. I read the SecretBarrister blog about TR and also found that useful to understand what happened in his most recent arrest.