To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

STDG I’ve seen you post a lot and I respect your views however look what you did there it MAY be true - it’s not may it’s a fact the handling of it was dreadful,neglectful. You minimised it because you hate the people that associate with ‘fighting the cause’

Your missing the point. TR could be any fucker. He is picking up on a lot of civil unrest that has been bubbling away for years.

Normal people are now looking at genuine racist sites, marching with genuine racists because there is no other out let for their voices to be heard

And there will be people there who feel ignored and social excluded, but the majority are just nasty cunts.

Nicely put Alison!

I think you’d be surprised Alison but isn’t that just as bigoted as saying ‘most Pakistani men are rapists?’ It’s foolish and ignorant to assume a whole group of people are one way yet fight against the same happening to another set of people.

Obviously we know that they are not but you should use the same rule of thumb for white people who are now starting to march against this.

It was a real mix bag of people there. OAP, women, children and the usual yobs. What worries me is that a few years ago these types of rallies attracted hardly any one it was laughable but now because of recent events folk are starting to become active - with the wrong leaders.

It’s ok and perfectly right on when the bigotry is directed at the working class though

I feel like I should preface this question by stating TR is a twat.

But i am curious , if it's true there is an issue with pedophile gangs targeting white women and we can link those gangs to a common heritage (not sure if that's the right word?) then what should we do? Obviously get justice for those it's already happened to , but how do we prevent it ? I mean on a wider scale not just with our own children.

I was a very vulnerable teen, nothing like that happened to me but tbh I think it could have easily done if I hadn't grown up where I did and it makes me wonder about prevention.

No. It isn't bigoted. To, using your example, to define all Pakistani men as rapists is bigoted, because you are using a defining characteristic (race) to discriminate against them.

To call mixed bunch of protesters a bunch nasty cunts isnt. And no reason why oaps and women can't be nasty cunts, Jayda Fransen ring any bells?

He broke the law, he deserves to be punished. But wow, did they ever take the chance to throw the book at him. My suspicion is that he was being monitored and the authorities waiting for him to trip up.

As long as in similar circumstances the extremists of antifa etc. would treated with similar harshness and the sentence is not influenced by his politics, then i'm happy with it.

I believe YABU. He was warned, by way of a suspended sentence, did the same thing again (jeopardising the trials of 29 defendants) and the suspended sentence was invoked. Robinson doesn't have anyone's interests at heart but his own. He's a vile self-publicist and I'm shocked that anyone can agree with him and his actions

Ffs. I can't believe I'm having to say this. I live in a predominantly white rural county and I have many peers who were groomed/ taken advantage of as early teens . In a variety of settings. Most notably in the brass band community. All by white men. This is not a Pakistani issue. It's a male issue.

@blahdeblahblag it's not true they only target white girls. What is true is that white girls make up a larger percentage of children in the care system/coming from dysfunctional families. Sikh girls have also spoken about being groomed but I suspect they come from a community that handles things differently than how your typical white British community does.

The gangs target vulnerable children and it's fairly likely they commit acts of sexual violence on their own however the Pakistani community tends to deal with things in a more private way, the consequences may be much harsher from their own community than the jail time they get for targeting girls who aren't the sister/cousin/child etc of people they know.

What do we do about it? Change policing methods, maybe give greater powers to parents/social workers to keep children safe - kids run away and what can a parent do? Not all that much, education and awareness within all communities... I don't know really I don't think any one thing will change it

I think there is a lot of naivety going on and posters being judgmental re protesters who support TR.

I was going to lunch one Sunday and got caught up in the annual Muslim day (can’t be bothered to look up the name) in Whitehall. There was a wall of police down the middle, women on one side, preachers and men on the other side. Huge TVs relaying speeches parked up in Whitehall. There was absolutely no mention of this in the media. Anywhere. I was in Shaftesbury Avenue on 5 November a couple of years when an Anonymous protest was expected but had been banned. To my knowledge Anonymous are not a terrorist organisation why were they banned and not allowed to protest. I’m not for one minute saying all Muslims are terrorist but we certainly felt threatened being in the middle of the Muslim protest. It is freedom of speech and the restrictions being placed on certain sections of society whilst others, who lets face it, might well be terrorists is tolerated

googles I’m sorry but your post is rubbish and it’s thats your view then your part of the problem. Most of the girls were not from care homes. What evidence have you got that their community punish them - never mind harshly? Your minimising what happened. Maajid Nawaz has even spoke about the problem in his own community and encourages real discussion of it.

bauble This specific topic is about Pakistani men grooming and raping girls. I’m fully aware this happens in all walks of life all the way from the government to tv stars and they ALL need to be held accountable. These girls were failed by in this circumstance because the authorities were scared to death of being labelled racist because it seems that some people can not talk about issues with out conflating the two. In this specific situation it is not racist to say a several communities of Pakistani men around the north sexually abused predominantly white girls. And the authorities DID NOTHING. Oh hang on a few of the underage girls got arrested for prostitution when found in flats getting passed about by Pakistani men.

blah I would like to see a young strong forward thinking Muslim woman to be placed in the position to go through the entire situation. To be able to fire every single police officer, social worker, MP that new this horrific crime was taking place and did nothing. All off them struck off. Which I know is never going to happen. I would like her to be the new face that bridges and champions both the cultures and inspires both sides of cultures to move forwards.

I was so upset when when woman after woman stood down after being tasked the role of sorting the government historic organised child abuse out. Rich white men from privileged backgrounds getting away with actual murder.

That’s a fact .
Just like I’m the north there was a problem with Pakistani men doing the same.

I can call them both out and talk about the facts. I don’t need to be racist to do that

User, enlighten me, what were these Muslims protesting against on 'annual Muslim day'. Do you think it may have been religious rally, and there was no trouble, so not really worth reporting?

Anonymous, are a bunch of cybertwats with no social skills.

A PP suggests that people with certain views - presumably anti immigration and right wing - have no outlet for there views.

What about UKIP and the Conservative Party?!

loopy really?? What if you don’t support either?

This is why you get so called ‘heros’ gathering Support because ALL parties ignored it.

But what are these people arguing for that the tories or UKIP don’t espouse?

Whattheactual, absolutely no-one condones what the grooming gangs did or is impressed with the way the government, police and other authorities dealt with them. Can you not see that condemning TR does not equate to condoning them?

The whole point is that his actions carried the very substantial likelihood of sabotaging the trials, with the result that those accused would have gone free. If they are guilty, do you really think that's a desirable outcome?

He broke the law, he deserves to be punished. But wow, did they ever take the chance to throw the book at him. My suspicion is that he was being monitored and the authorities waiting for him to trip up.

He did a live broadcast of what he was doing, there was no need to monitor him. Indeed, it is highly likely that he was doing his absolute best to get arrested.

Once he broke the terms of his suspended sentence - and he acknowledged that he had - there was no choice but to activate it. How does that amount to throwing the book at him?

I think it’s more than just one issue loopy. I do not deny that probably the underbelly of these marches are racist driven but the new people joining in are probably scared.

Scared of the extremist views in the papers.
Scared of the extremist views and shanty towns in France shown on the news
Scared of cars and lorries being attacked
Scared of a tiny minority prepared to blow up people in the name of their religion in this current age.

Then throw in a few scattered communities where children where being raped and the authorities knew and did nothing and it ‘looks’ like a media black out and you get this type of up rising.

This honestly couldn’t have worked out better for TR and his ilk. He is seen as the sacrificial lamb.

bib I 100% agree. I think he intended to get arrested

Can you not see that condemning TR does not equate to condoning them?

Where have I said otherwise. I was actually discussing a video I’d seen this morning ..

Whatthe, you've come on a thread about TR's arrest saying we're fools if we think a minority feel like the people on the march, it's not racism to acknowledge the race of those involved in the trial in question, the biggest problem is "do-gooders" refusing to accept this, etc etc. It's reasonable to read that as indicating that his conduct was justified by the views of the marchers and those that think otherwise are the dreaded do-gooders (what's wrong with doing good anyway? Should we be doing bad?).

If that wasn't what you intended to say, it's not our fault: we can only interpret what you actually write.

Once he broke the terms of his suspended sentence - and he acknowledged that he had - there was no choice but to activate it. How does that amount to throwing the book at him?

I'm no law expert, I don't know the guidelines but 13 months for what he did seems a lot. He didn't do himself any favours live broadcasting. I disagree with his ideology, i'm just fearful that his ideology was a driver to the harshness of his sentance.

The suspended sentence was for ten months, which given his past record and the seriousness of the offence was, if anything, lenient. The extra three months was for the new offence and again seems pretty lenient given that he committed it despite having had it spelt out to him unequivocally by the judge that any repetition would not be tolerated.

You also need to bear in mind that he knew full well that his actions could well have meant the trial being abandoned. Indeed, it looks very much as if that was precisely what he wanted to achieve so that he could stir up even more trouble and publicity. Not only did that mean that potentially guilty men would have gone free, it would have essentially meant a total betrayal of the victims. Do you really feel that 13 months' imprisonment was too harsh a sentence for that?