To think Mumsnet doesn't hate Instagram influencers?

[jamoncrumpets]

And for prominent influencers who I will not name here for fear of them kicking off and getting the thread pulled to even hint that this might be the case is irresponsible on their part?

SO much gets discussed on MN every day. So much gets criticised. Social media influencers are a new and intriguing phenomenon - why wouldn't they be discussed here? For better or worse?

Many people have supported influencers for the way they earn money. That gets ignored. Many have politely criticised and pointed out ways it could be more ethical. This gets ignored. One or two have made comments that are personal or cross the line, these have been pounced on and discussed publicly.

The 'arguments' die down. People stop caring. Then prominent influencers go and start the whole thing up again.

Blaming MN is just lazy and irresponsible.

That should probably have been @bawbles. I haven't read all the posts so no idea why Kelly's songs been brought up.

To put it in context though her mum has Huntington's and I took it as her way of saying life's too short to be worrying or making a fuss about trivial stuff.

@myothernamewasfunnier agree, very strange question!

If you follow Kelly and know about her mum it puts what she is saying in context. She also did a stories at the time stating how she felt re the bitching on here and "fuss" about #'s.

@ABuckToothedGirlinLuxembourg

I'd only read the last few posts about the song.

@sofialemon

Yes I’m aware that her Mum has Huntington’s and she raises money for charity too.

My post was discussing her publicly shared viewpoint on mumsnet posts criticising IG influencers not declaring #ad or #gift or #paidpartnershipwith

I've also reported my last post as it came out very wrong and sounds insensitive in the circumstances. Sorry for any offence :(

I agreed with what she said on her stories at the time and found the song amusing.

I feel putting screen shots of the song and discussing it without mentioning her personal circumstances is a bit unfair. All she was basically saying is there are truly awful things happening in the world, and for her, in her own life. So to see thousands of posts by women on a site that is supposed to be supportive to women, ripping other women apart over not using #ad correctly or featuring their kids, or whatever seems a bit unnecessary, and pathetic really

Is it equally pathetic to devote hour upon hour to defending them though? It would all just die down if people didn’t. It seems to me like it’s in some instamums interests for it to keep going.

@sofialemon

I am sorry that her Mum is unwell and can understand how that must put lots of things in perspective for her.

I wholeheartedly disagree in discussing her mum being ill in this context though. I didn’t see her stories at the time only this section on highlights but from what I’ve seen of the MN discussion valid concerns about the ethics of IG Influencers practise were raised. This definitely isn’t a life and death issue but regardless of people’s personal (and frankly pretty shit) circumstances discussions will be had about that. It’s unrealistic to dismiss the conversation because it’s not the most important thing in the world (she’s right in that it isn’t)

@sofialemon a poster wrote this which brought it up into discussion -

Also I watched one IG accounts stories yesterday who was responding the the Mumsnet threads and her whole argument was ‘people are dying and you are moaning about this’
*Which I found bizarre and rather ironic coming from someone who chooses to share day to day life stuff on social media.

@ABuckToothedGirlinLuxembourg

Who devotes hour upon hour defending them?

A lot of Kelly's insta is about raising awareness for Huntington disease. She mentions her mum and posts stories featuring her mum quite often. I assume whoever initially posted about the song doesn't actually follow Kelly as otherwise the song would have made more sense.

@bawbles

Maybe you haven't followed the threads long enough to know. Whilst there have been valid points raised re following the ASA guidelines, and opinions given about the featuring of children there have also been many personal attacks on various instamums. Imo that is what led to the Mumsnet backlash on insta.

@sofialemon You did, but admittedly less so now. And Cady still does.

Is it equally pathetic to devote hour upon hour to defending them though? It would all just die down if people didn’t

No, no it wouldn't. I left the threads alone for a few of them, didn't put across any viewpoints at all and just read a few of them from a distance. Approx 2 or 3 at a 1000 posts each and all going strong.
Without anyone questioning points, or putting across a different opinion, it was just threads of all out bitching and nobody saying anything different. Everybody agreeing with each other, agreeing on how horrible it all is, but still watching, torturing themselves with accounts they profess to not like.
Slanging matches and lolz and attacks. When there's actually discussion going on, there's some really interesting points raised re ethics and privacy etc.

@sofialemon

No I’ve not followed the threads in full nor the insta responses fully either. I’m basing my views purely on what I have seen. If the song was about personal attacks on people/ their dcs I’d completely agree with the sentiment. It just mentions the use of hashtags though which I feel is a valid issue that needs the conversation/moderation

I have seen some awful postings on IG, MN, FB - pretty much every social platform I use where people have said shit things to others so pretty sure being an arsehole isn’t exclusive to mn users. My pet hate is when folk swipe (verbally) at other people’s kids.

Absolutely this.
Maybe you haven't followed the threads long enough to know. Whilst there have been valid points raised re following the ASA guidelines, and opinions given about the featuring of children there have also been many personal attacks on various instamums. Imo that is what led to the Mumsnet backlash on insta

I’ve just caught up on the insta stories around M&S and their lack of diversity awareness, having produced a range of clothes suitable for those with additional needs such as feeding tubes etc BUT M&S don’t have accessible facilities. AND more importantly, the influencers invited who showed off these amazing disabled child friendly clothes don’t have a disabled child. No one invited to the press launch did - and yet influencers are willing giving M&S free publicity (cost = the fancy lunch probably?) without considering the lack of diversity and inclusion, and not seeing how full of privilege it makes them look to be all ‘oh look stuff for disabled kids’ - this is my issue with the insta influencers. It’s never about anything but pushing whatever brand is paying them/buying lunch/gifting.

All of these hawkers have been blocked on my feed, if I want sold stuff I’ll watch an advert which has been produced by professionals for the company. Not covertly slipped into conversation by these people who are not subtle in any way. The I’ve got your back crowd are equally as culpable imo because they basically say yabu to not suck up whatever flavour of the day has to say and praise them to jigh heaven.
Yabu because we should hate what is being foisted upon us by them

@ABuckToothedGirlinLuxembourg

Hardly hour upon hour! There were a few threads that I posted on quite a bit as I just found so many of the comments ridiculous, and some absolutely disgusting (I'll not drag those up again).

@CadyHeron doesn't post any more frequently than some others on these threads. Imo Cady and myself get targeted as we mostly have a different opinion to the majority.

@CadyHeron doesn't post any more frequently than some others on these threads. Imo Cady and myself get targeted as we mostly have a different opinion to the majority.

Absobloodylutely.! There's a few names on here that are ALWAYS on every thread, seriously engaged and over invested, but never get the same amount of vitriol flung. One can only imagine it's because they have the viewpoint of the majority,

@ABuckToothedGirlinLuxembourg

No, no it wouldn't. I left the threads alone for a few of them, didn't put across any viewpoints at all and just read a few of them from a distance. Approx 2 or 3 at a 1000 posts each and all going strong.
Without anyone questioning points, or putting across a different opinion, it was just threads of all out bitching and nobody saying anything different. Everybody agreeing with each other, agreeing on how horrible it all is, but still watching, torturing themselves with accounts they profess to not like.
Slanging matches and lolz and attacks. When there's actually discussion going on, there's some really interesting points raised re ethics and privacy etc.

What @CadyHeron stated is true. I also stopped posting whilst still reading the threads and they were exactly as Cady says.

It's like some sort of crusade against insta, yet just targeting a very tiny proportion of insta accounts and ignoring the fact that there are thousands of others who also feature and "monetise" their children or lack transparency.

@JellyBaby666 I saw a snippet of the M&S stuff and what a mess.

Complete idiocy to invite the usual privileged crew to the launch of a range targeted at children with additional needs. I think it’ll be a PR disaster for them too. So many parents are crying out for better facilities for their disabled dcs and I appreciate the logistics of implementing this in all stores but it needs to be their priority not wining and dining influencers

All of these hawkers have been blocked on my feed, if I want sold stuff I’ll watch an advert which has been produced by professionals for the company. Not covertly slipped into conversation by these people who are not subtle in any way.

And that's up to you, I'm kind of the same in some respect - if an account suddenly loses its way and starts becoming all about the ads, it becomes kind of boring and I follow and it's not what I followed them in the first place for.
There needs to be a happy balance of proper content and a few ads thrown in and knowing where the balance lies.
Not agreeing with the hawkers bit though - (depending on how you meant it, not clear from just that text ) as social media is a legitimate, popular and hugely successful advertising tool however much somebody might dislike the fact.