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To think Mumsnet doesn't hate Instagram influencers?

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jamoncrumpets · 30/05/2018 09:04

And for prominent influencers who I will not name here for fear of them kicking off and getting the thread pulled to even hint that this might be the case is irresponsible on their part?

SO much gets discussed on MN every day. So much gets criticised. Social media influencers are a new and intriguing phenomenon - why wouldn't they be discussed here? For better or worse?

Many people have supported influencers for the way they earn money. That gets ignored. Many have politely criticised and pointed out ways it could be more ethical. This gets ignored. One or two have made comments that are personal or cross the line, these have been pounced on and discussed publicly.

The 'arguments' die down. People stop caring. Then prominent influencers go and start the whole thing up again.

Blaming MN is just lazy and irresponsible.

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FlyingBird · 31/05/2018 12:26

Hello! Got a notification I was tagged so here I am back in the vipers nest/coven/whatever we're being called this week Grin

I checked out the other thread to see what MmeG meant by posters saying others had mysteriously disappeared. Bit Hmm that a poster might be implying I'm a journalist who used the threads to get material for articles and that I messaged them sharing 'confidences'. I've certainly not messaged that poster, unless they've had a name change and used to be NeverWas? I see MmeG says NW is also 'missing'? Anyway, I'd hardly describe my chat with NeverWas - if it's she- as messaging them 'with various confidences' - if anything the sharing was completely mutual, just a friendly and at times slightly private conversation. But then maybe the poster on t'other thread doesn't mean me at all ... Confused

BUT it is true I've had my posts withdrawn. I don't owe anyone an explanation as to why I did that obviously but happy to give one as the reason's quite straightforward and probably disappointingly boring!

I said towards the end of the last Influencer Ethics thread (no3), the one I started, that I was going to sit the rest of the thread out. I was disconcerted that a poster thought the word play I and others were doing as a stupid laugh was "making fun of a family's misfortune". Certainly wasn't doing that and was a bit horrified that any of my comments could come across that way. Said so on the thread and that I was stepping away from the threads.

And then the same night or the next day the Telegraph article dropped and I was really pissed off that the implication was Mumsnet was to blame for a certain IGer leaving the gram. That wasn't my understanding and I didn't want to be associated with that by, er, association. And I definitely didn't want journalists using my posts as fodder or quoting my posts as they did with Marsha's. Not because I was ashamed of them, but just ... create your own fucking material Grin

I mentioned in a past instamum/influencer thread that I'd name changed between threads (I said from what to what) after an incident elsewhere on MN in which I was partially doxxed and another poster was properly doxxed. The other poster had it a lot worse but it spooked me and MN were very sympathetic; they gave me a retrospective name change and withdraw some of my posts and offered to withdraw more if I wanted. When The Telegraph article dropped a month or so later, I went back to MNHQ and said please withdraw all my posts.

Then I took a bit of a MN break. I don't want to be involved in any media hoo-hah, or sniping about specific Instagrammers, which I did very occasionally at times here Blush and which I regret tbh. For the record though, I don't regret the taking the piss out of the Lavender Flannel ™️ or doing satirical crap parodies or taking part in the in-depth proper discussion and analysis about grown up issues like child privacy, ad disclosure, and IGers branding themselves mental health experts when they're not. I agree that they're topics that have societal implications for us all and so are worth discussing.

Sorry for the long and rather self-indulgent hijack @jamoncrumpets. In answer to your Q, YANBU. I don't hate influencers, that would be preposterous. I imagine some of them are Actually Rather Lovely as people. In fact one v small factor in why I withdrew is that I saw on IG that an instamum with about 10k followers was someone I knew in RL, a woman I'd had a business meeting with (non IG related). I was surprised to see her on here, and her IG persona gives the impression she's more 'fluffier' than how she is in person. I found her to be delightful and she gave me excellent business advice, and if she was mentioned on these threads I'd only have nice things to say about her as a person, but I was glad she wasn't mentioned as I do find her IG feed a bit twee and it's not my sort of thing at all (and yes I'd say this to her face were it ever to appropriately arise!!)

Now I'm here, I might stick around on this thread. Not going on to the other one though, it's an interesting read but I don't want to discuss people in detail and I certainly don't want to discuss Instagrammers' 'huns', because that's hardly going to solve any them and and us divide.

FlyingBird · 31/05/2018 12:27

OMG that's long!!! Oh well, guess that's me making up for several weeks of not posting Wink

MarshaBradyo · 31/05/2018 12:31

FlyingBird I’m so glad you’re back! I laughed at get your own material 😬

jamoncrumpets · 31/05/2018 12:32

Hijack away! Nice to see you back.

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jamoncrumpets · 31/05/2018 12:35

I feel like I should be more arseholey here tbh, as befits my Mumsnet Instamum-hating persona. But I'm with you FlyingBird, of course I don't hate Instamums. I think some are daft, some are maverick with advertising and some are potentially dangerous for setting themselves up as MH experts, but I don't hate any of them.

Think I need a lie down with my lavender flannel...

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TheLadyhasarrived · 31/05/2018 13:27

Sorry for the intrigue on the other thread, I guess I’m a bit paranoid and had wondered if something had happened that caused the deletions and also was amusing myself imaging MP was siphoning off mumsnetters and forcing them to become fangirlz or insta mums, which is of course ludicrous but amused me.
Sorry for any offence caused!
(Also hate the huns thing, where I live that is a somewhat problematic term)

thebear1 · 31/05/2018 13:44

Many on mumsnet probably don't hate them but there have been a significant amount of threards. I can see why they would feel disliked. I have not read all the many threads so not going to comment further as I don't know the full content. What I have read doesn't seem to have been positive.

FlyingBird · 31/05/2018 13:51

Thanks for the welcome back jam and Marsha! We will always have the lavender flannel Wink

TheLady ha, no problem. Could you or anyone else here already on the other thread do me a favour and let the other poster who obliquely referenced me know I'm here. Don't want them thinking I'm in some luxury cave undergoing intensive instamum brainwashing, led by MotherPukka in a black leather jumpsuit and a #gifted balaclava, or in bed with Mr InstaDad, JustineMumsnet and the Editor of The Telegraph.

TheLadyhasarrived · 31/05/2018 14:22

Flying the mental images! Now I need the Lavender Flannel.

No problem, I’ll say you are here.
Glad to see yo back, I enjoyed your parodies Grin

Boredandtired · 31/05/2018 14:28

The problem with naming or not naming them is that as things happen it becomes necessary to mention accounts (any accounts) and then when new posters join in those regulars pop up and suddenly they are being mentioned. It's a pain. The trouble is when certain things are discussed and you try not to name names, no one has a clue who anyone else is talking about, especially if it's a smaller account Grin

Boredandtired · 31/05/2018 14:29

@thebear1 it's tricky though isn't it because the majority of what's said on IG about mumsnet is dreadful.

Badmotherpukka · 31/05/2018 15:11

Hi all, just want to clarify, noone has been ‘influenced’ to become an instamum by me (couldn’t bear the #ad competition) and I prefer spandex over leather, otherwise your description is spot on. But no skullduggery is afoot. Happy to answer any other questions privately.

Readingchairreboot · 31/05/2018 16:12

FlyingBird

I have never spoken to you, so apologies if my comments implied you were the poster I was talking about.

FlyingBird · 31/05/2018 18:05

Readingchairreboot Thanks for clarifying, phew. I assumed I was possibly the only one with withdrawn posts but obviously not! And thank you to Badmotherpukka too for confirmation she prefers spandex and isn't running secret instamum bootcamps.

jamoncrumpets · 31/05/2018 18:26

Instamum boot camp! Well, I couldn't resist...

9am Registration, including pickup of THE GOODIE BAG (includes lavender flannel, miniature G&T - gin o'clock!, slogan t shirt 'you've got this, Huns', voucher for free sandals)
9.15am 'Talk the talk, hawk the hawk' - the fundamentals of selling unnecessary shit to lonely, possibly postnatally depressed, women.
10am Chakra realignment with some woman off the internet that claims crystals can give you magical powers
10.30am Green tea break - courtesy of The Matcha Mamas, so detoxifying!
11am 'Avoiding #ads and Dodging #gifted' - how to sell unnecessary stuff without following any guidelines whatsoever!
12pm Short relaxation session with some woman off Instagram that claims she can change your life through 'just breathing'
12.30pm FREE BLOODY LUNCH. Table settings, centrepieces, menus and food must all be photographed and shared on your stories, we cannot stress this enough, those that simply choose to eat the free lunch without taking pictures of it will be asked to leave.
1.30pm 'Block those bitches' how to close down arguments in your comments and deal with dissenters.
2.30pm Small Brand showcase - nab as much free shit as you can, quickly now!
3pm 'When Cute Kids Grow Up/Get Ugly' - how to maximise your child's earning potential
4pm Debrief with leading Instamums. Afterwards there will be a photo opportunity where you can take pics, and tag yourself with, leading Instamums. You will have five seconds to pretend that they are your new best friend, use them wisely. Do not touch the Instamums. We cannot stress this enough.

#youvegotthismama

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MarshaBradyo · 31/05/2018 18:33

Haha very good! Grin

FlyingBird · 31/05/2018 18:38

Jam you are v norty Grin

"talk the talk, hawk the hawk" is genius. It's a mantra Tony Robbins et al would be proud of coming up with, never mind instamums.

MarshaBradyo · 31/05/2018 18:39

I bloody love talk the talk, hawk the hawk

Still laughing

jamoncrumpets · 31/05/2018 18:46

As a previous 'small brand' I've actually been to days similar to this... the talk titles were slightly less honest though.

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MarshaBradyo · 31/05/2018 19:17

Honestly wasted on mumsnet that is

Should be somewhere else too, not sure where

FlyingBird · 31/05/2018 19:22

Marsha LinkedIn? Wink

MarshaBradyo · 31/05/2018 19:25

Haha Flying yep

Btw Another networking thing I avoid, people just checking up on their colleagues

CadyHeron · 31/05/2018 19:26

Thebear1 - yep, the little core of a few on these threads, I can see why they feel disliked too.
The discussion about ethics/ads/use of children is an interesting one but (my answer to the AIBU)is around the same view. As in that some have actively said they find them distasteful and don't like what they stand for, so when the discussion is only laughing/watching and flinging insults, it's easy to see why they'd come to that conclusion.

DillyDilly · 31/05/2018 19:31

I don’t think we ‘hate them’ at all. I suspect the posters here and on SM who question the ethics and transparency of influencers/bloggers are the people who shop from brands that influencers promote.

The Instagrammers who fawn over them and are nasty to anyone who respectfully questions their ethics probably have no interest in what they promote and would say anything in support to get a thank you. Some think that the more crude their language, the more hope they have of becoming a ‘friend’ of the blogger.

Boredandtired · 31/05/2018 19:53

I don't hate any instagrammers and can't understand why you would hate anyone you don't know. I have struggled with accounts and duscussedthise that have changed drastically as they've become businesses and many I've unfollowed as the whole feeling and vibe changed, and often the #ads were too irritating.
I have far more annoyance towards posters on mumsnet who are continually feeding the mumsnet is evil vibe, by posting sweeping incorrect statements, they are supposed to be the opposing viewpoint but the statements they make are untrue and would be read by new traffic and assumed to be a correct recap.
As in that some have actively said they find them distasteful and don't like what they stand for, so when the discussion is only laughing/watching and flinging insults, it's easy to see why they'd come to that conclusion
For example.
Barely anyone has said these things, certainly none of the frequent posters I've read. Barely anyone has come on here to laugh at people and flinging insults? So these posts just feed the venom, and yet they are not backed up and often irrelevant to current discussion. But you can guarantee that is what will be screenshot and shared as an example of general discussion. They are just trying to stoke up controversial comments unnecessarily.