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Family Drama

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PossiblyPFB · 28/05/2018 23:21

Sorry this is going to be a long one........Looking for some advice on how to deal with a very tricky family situation. Obviously there are nuances I can’t go into as would be here all night writing up the crazy!

I’ve written this with my sibling as we are facing this together and looking to receive some no-BS AIBU views from people not emotionally involved!

The players involved..... (not real names)
“Mary” : DGM, elderly widow, 97 years old and in failing health.
“Billy” ,Her middle son, “The starving artist” mid-60 something. Presently of no fixed abode. Has resided with Mary rent free for many years.
“Karen” second eldest and only daughter. “The Martyr”.
“Bob”, Karen’s husband.
Rick & Shelly- Karen & Bob’s adult kids (us)

Basically the current situation is as follows. Mary is on her deathbed. Karen and Bob have been caring for her in their home now for 18m, taking care of everything from bills to physical care, meals, doctors appointments, management of her finances leading to positive savings, medications, bathing, toiletting, cleansing, nighttime wakings, helping to sell her home, etc.

They now receive some respite care through a hospice service but for the first 13 months received no help and literally put their lives on hold to care for a very frail lady. They recently helped Mary to sell her home in order to receive that hospice help and free up her estate.

Over the years Billy and two other brothers have taken advantage of Mary in a variety of ways and have led lives which would be too extensive to go through and tangential, but which could form the basis of a mediocre Jackie Collins novel. Karen has never asked for or received any monetary (or much emotional for that matter) support from Mary, who in comparison has always absolutely worshipped the ground her 3 sons have walked on.

Since the recent sale of Mary’s home, Billy has become effectively homeless. Despite having lived rent free with Mary for many years, he did not help with any of her care and did not help her to keep an orderly, clean, sanitary home. Billy has a large warehouse where he keeps his “treasures” and personal collections of “stuff” (hoarder who keeps things of no value). He also has recently taken a rental on a shop front. However he has not prioritised obtaining a home of his own.

The crux of the situation we are now facing is this: Billy feels he has been treated very badly indeed by Karen in “making him homeless”. Billy vocalises this to anyone he meets including Karen’s adult children. Billy has a habit of squatting if he’s invited to stay, sleeping on the sofa, not helping with any care or household aspects, not showering, simply watching tv all day, all while criticising Karen and Bob, eating all the food and generally being unpleasant and ungrateful. He has a victim mentality and expects to be taken care of and not to have to take responsibilities for his own life. He also will not leave until an argument ensues when he is asked to leave and he strops off.

The present situation is this: Mary is (we think) in her last days. She is completely bedridden and has become delusional. It’s very stressful and the care aspect is constant. She sometimes doesn’t recognise Karen but asks for Billy and her other sons constantly. Karen is also very resentful of being left caring for her mother while her brothers have done nothing practical to help, but who are the apples of Mary’s eye.

Billy has proposed to come and stay again to visit Mary in her last days/weeks/months. While they certainly want to ensure Billy has access to Mary in her final days, Karen and Bob do not want Billy to physically stay in their home again because it will add a huge stress to a very trying time. There has been a lot of conflict in the past because of fundamental personality differences and this would not be healthy.

Billy will try passive aggressive and overtly aggressive tactics to work his way into their home again.

The options we can see (and why they’ve been dismissed) are:

  1. let Billy stay with Karen & Bob (not desirable as above)
  2. let Billy stay with Rick (Rick’s wife is pregnant and needs to avoid stress. Also Shelly is visiting from out of town and staying with them already to be out of the way)
  3. Billy sleeps in his van in Karen & Bob’s driveway (not ideal as he will do it if another solution isn’t provided for him)

So- Karen, Rick, Mary & Shelly fund a hotel room nearby for Billy to keep him out of their homes. That’s where we are at and will likely do for him. But it feels completely annoying to provide - again- for Billy when as a 60 something grown-ass man he hasn’t prioritised his own financial security over many years to be able to afford to do this for himself.

AIBU that there doesn’t seem to be another solution? How would you handle this? How can we offer access without having him come in and squat for an indeterminate time period? Thanks for any ideas!!

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AllMYSmellySocks · 28/05/2018 23:34

How difficult for everyone. I vote for Billy sorting out his own accommodation, be it van or hotel room funded by himself.

Fishface77 · 28/05/2018 23:38

Tell billy to piss of.
Why would anyone allow this freeloading cunt to stay??? Allow him in for an hour, give him no food or drink and tell him to go!

gingergiraffe · 28/05/2018 23:45

Can he not stay with the other brothers? It does seem unreasonable that all of the responsibility has been heaped on Karen, Rob and family. There is only so much that one family can take and I imagine this family is at breaking point.

It’s awful that it all depends on how long poor Mary will live but really, it could go on and on and meanwhile the family is financing and facilitating Billy’s lifestyle. Surely it is time to stop,

Time to tell Billy that it has to stop. He needs to seek help with his housing problem and not only can he not stay at any of your homes but also that he cannot park on your drive. What will happen after Mary dies? You will never get rid of him and the stress must be awful.

I am always the first to try to help others in desperate situations but even I could not put up with this. People have to help themselves. Making a firm stance may be the nudge he needs to finally stand on his own two feet.

Nothing wrong with offering him a meal when he comes to visit but it’s about time he did something to sort his life out.

Reading your post again, maybe up to now Billy lived away from your area, but even so, it should not be up to you to provide accommodation for him.

PossiblyPFB · 28/05/2018 23:59

Gingergiraffe- very good point re the other brothers- the other brothers are major tangents to the core issue but.... - the eldest was also staying with Mary rent free between polo matches and opera festivals but his current sugar mama has just bought him a condo in another city several hours away. So he’s all good. Comes to visit but doesn’t help practically or financially much at all. Disney son. The youngest lives off the grid quite far away and doesn’t engage with any of them for a variety of reasons. -mostly that the other 2 sued him for stealing Mary’s money- .... I did say it was soap opera esque!

We are sat here chatting & ‘Rick’ and his wife would genuinely see getting him to leave their home would be challenging if they let him in.

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KC225 · 29/05/2018 00:21

Can Billy stay at the shop he has rented? Can one of the other brother's have a char with him and tell him to sort his life out and prioritise accommodation.

PossiblyPFB · 29/05/2018 00:26

KC- one brother is NC with everyone, and Billy and the oldest one don’t get on well at all. Oldest brother, despite his posh quirks and lack of practical helpfulness, is mainly lovely and shares the view on Billy. Our parents live quite far from the rest of them. The shop is hours away. So he’s driving in and expecting to stay with someone.

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redastherose · 29/05/2018 00:40

Another vote for telling Billy to sort his own shit out. Someone firm needs to call him and ask him which hotel or campsite he's staying at when he visits. If he says he's staying with any of the players the answer is 'No, that's not going to happen' or 'No, that doesn't work for us'. If he tried the it's not fair act say what's been said here. Your an adult and you've relied on your extremely elderly Mother for a home for way too long. If you wanted to care for her you should have stepped up 18 months ago. You didn't so that ship has sailed. Don't engage any further. He's a user and you all know it, don't allow him to blackmail his way into your homes.

HeddaGarbled · 29/05/2018 00:43

Shelly should stay with her parents. Then she can support them while Mary is dying, take up the room that might have been open for Billy, ensure that Billy doesn't park his van on their driveway, plus remove herself from being a burden on Rick and his pregnant wife.

Everything else is up to Billy and his brothers to sort out.

ElderflowerWaterIsDelish · 29/05/2018 00:49

Why can't he live where ever he is currently staying and just pop round and visit for a while each day to see her?

Rick123 · 29/05/2018 00:51

“Rick” here. As you can probably tell by the writing style, “Shelly” ain’t sleeping on no sofa!

Rick123 · 29/05/2018 00:55

Theres about 6hours between us all

Cblue · 29/05/2018 00:59

Errr.....just leave billy to sort his own self out! Don’t mention it and if he asks to stay just say it’s not convenient at the moment. Trick is to not invite him in your house the first place

PossiblyPFB · 29/05/2018 01:01

I ❤️ That @Rick123 joined MN for this!

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marjorie25 · 29/05/2018 01:05

Put Billy in the hotel, because it is only a matter of days/weeks.
Once Mary passes and the funeral is over, tell Billy he is on his own. The welfare have stopped and he need to sort his life out.
Do not under any circumstance allow him to enter any of the relatives home. He is a parasite and we know what they can do.

AdaColeman · 29/05/2018 01:10

Get Granny admitted to hospital or hospice.

Tell Billy to sort himself out in whatever way he wants, but don't get involved at all yourselves.

Billy shouldn't stay with Karen & Bob or Rick.

Shelly could stay with her parents until Granny passes.

All of you stop being emotionally blackmailed by Billy and playing his games with him.

Littleredboat · 29/05/2018 01:11

You seem to be enjoying the soap opera of this a bit too much for me tbh.

It’s sinple: tell freeloader that it would be great for him to come and see his Mum but it isn’t possible for him to stay with any of you.

Then concentrate on the dying lady.

The end.

pallisers · 29/05/2018 01:17

How difficult for everyone. I vote for Billy sorting out his own accommodation, be it van or hotel room funded by himself.

This. If he gets in the door of any house, he won't leave, will add immensely to the stress of everything, and cause more trouble.

this doesn't have to be anyone's problem but Billy's. Tell him he can visit his mother if he wants. Then how he figures it out is up to him.

Mmmmmmmchips · 29/05/2018 01:21

I have nothing of value to say about said situation.

However you should be a script writer! A real knack for telling a story Smile

1forAll74 · 29/05/2018 01:24

OH gosh, I just came to bed, and was just about to start reading a new book, but reading all this is much better. !!! Billy is the lead character, I wonder what will happen to him.. I bet that Mary has had an interesting life with all her family.!

PossiblyPFB · 29/05/2018 01:25

@Littleredboat you have no idea how far I’ve traveled to be with the dying lady..... Across an ocean and more. I’ve put my life at hold at home to be here with her. The focus is on her and supporting our parents. Our family is really crazy- if you don’t laugh you’ll cry. I’m trying to keep it light. This situation is worrying us hence asking for help with ideas.

There is no spare room. It’s just the sofa available at our parents house for various reasons.

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Yesiamhappy · 29/05/2018 01:41

Billy needs to find his own place to stay - if he wants to stay in his van to save money give him a list of nearby campsites - tell him you can’t have his parking on your drive as you need access. Once he parks there he will basically move in.

Do not fund him or he will expect this to continue when his mother dies

Given what’s happening now - have you thought about what’s going to happen over her will?

teaandtoast · 29/05/2018 01:52

Campsite for Billy. Someone else parked on the drive when he arrives.

TheOriginalEmu · 29/05/2018 01:53

why has Karen done all the care if she has had no good relationship with her mother? I dunno, billy may be unpleasant, but it’s certanly not his fault Karen allows herself to be taken advantage of, nor is it his fault if his mother chose to let him live rent free. I’d say the obvious answe is to let Billy sort himself out and the rest of you stop playing the martyr game.

greenlanes · 29/05/2018 01:53

I have come across so many men in their 50s and 60s who seem to be incapable of actually living a constructive life and contributing, yes Billy is a freeloader. If you don't standup to this behaviour it continues.

Agree with other pps of course he can see his mother, but it is totally up to hi. How he manages that arrangement.

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 29/05/2018 01:54

Sounds like a frustrating situation, but it's been largely created by everyone pandering to Billy's self-centredness rather than telling him to get his financial shit sorted, quit with the nonsense about Karen "making him homeless" and find a camping ground where he can park his van while finally acting like a grown-up by contributing to his mother's care in her dying days.

After Mary has passed, I'd honestly be having nothing more to do with Billy unless he starts acting like a decent human being.

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