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Family Drama

136 replies

PossiblyPFB · 28/05/2018 23:21

Sorry this is going to be a long one........Looking for some advice on how to deal with a very tricky family situation. Obviously there are nuances I can’t go into as would be here all night writing up the crazy!

I’ve written this with my sibling as we are facing this together and looking to receive some no-BS AIBU views from people not emotionally involved!

The players involved..... (not real names)
“Mary” : DGM, elderly widow, 97 years old and in failing health.
“Billy” ,Her middle son, “The starving artist” mid-60 something. Presently of no fixed abode. Has resided with Mary rent free for many years.
“Karen” second eldest and only daughter. “The Martyr”.
“Bob”, Karen’s husband.
Rick & Shelly- Karen & Bob’s adult kids (us)

Basically the current situation is as follows. Mary is on her deathbed. Karen and Bob have been caring for her in their home now for 18m, taking care of everything from bills to physical care, meals, doctors appointments, management of her finances leading to positive savings, medications, bathing, toiletting, cleansing, nighttime wakings, helping to sell her home, etc.

They now receive some respite care through a hospice service but for the first 13 months received no help and literally put their lives on hold to care for a very frail lady. They recently helped Mary to sell her home in order to receive that hospice help and free up her estate.

Over the years Billy and two other brothers have taken advantage of Mary in a variety of ways and have led lives which would be too extensive to go through and tangential, but which could form the basis of a mediocre Jackie Collins novel. Karen has never asked for or received any monetary (or much emotional for that matter) support from Mary, who in comparison has always absolutely worshipped the ground her 3 sons have walked on.

Since the recent sale of Mary’s home, Billy has become effectively homeless. Despite having lived rent free with Mary for many years, he did not help with any of her care and did not help her to keep an orderly, clean, sanitary home. Billy has a large warehouse where he keeps his “treasures” and personal collections of “stuff” (hoarder who keeps things of no value). He also has recently taken a rental on a shop front. However he has not prioritised obtaining a home of his own.

The crux of the situation we are now facing is this: Billy feels he has been treated very badly indeed by Karen in “making him homeless”. Billy vocalises this to anyone he meets including Karen’s adult children. Billy has a habit of squatting if he’s invited to stay, sleeping on the sofa, not helping with any care or household aspects, not showering, simply watching tv all day, all while criticising Karen and Bob, eating all the food and generally being unpleasant and ungrateful. He has a victim mentality and expects to be taken care of and not to have to take responsibilities for his own life. He also will not leave until an argument ensues when he is asked to leave and he strops off.

The present situation is this: Mary is (we think) in her last days. She is completely bedridden and has become delusional. It’s very stressful and the care aspect is constant. She sometimes doesn’t recognise Karen but asks for Billy and her other sons constantly. Karen is also very resentful of being left caring for her mother while her brothers have done nothing practical to help, but who are the apples of Mary’s eye.

Billy has proposed to come and stay again to visit Mary in her last days/weeks/months. While they certainly want to ensure Billy has access to Mary in her final days, Karen and Bob do not want Billy to physically stay in their home again because it will add a huge stress to a very trying time. There has been a lot of conflict in the past because of fundamental personality differences and this would not be healthy.

Billy will try passive aggressive and overtly aggressive tactics to work his way into their home again.

The options we can see (and why they’ve been dismissed) are:

  1. let Billy stay with Karen & Bob (not desirable as above)
  2. let Billy stay with Rick (Rick’s wife is pregnant and needs to avoid stress. Also Shelly is visiting from out of town and staying with them already to be out of the way)
  3. Billy sleeps in his van in Karen & Bob’s driveway (not ideal as he will do it if another solution isn’t provided for him)

So- Karen, Rick, Mary & Shelly fund a hotel room nearby for Billy to keep him out of their homes. That’s where we are at and will likely do for him. But it feels completely annoying to provide - again- for Billy when as a 60 something grown-ass man he hasn’t prioritised his own financial security over many years to be able to afford to do this for himself.

AIBU that there doesn’t seem to be another solution? How would you handle this? How can we offer access without having him come in and squat for an indeterminate time period? Thanks for any ideas!!

OP posts:
PossiblyPFB · 29/05/2018 19:28

Minor update- Karen has asked Disney brother to sort out a hotel for him - clever Karen!

All this has been exacerbated by many years of Mary babying Billy (and the others) and feeling valuable by being helpful in caring for him. She’s been a widow for many decades and suspect this (misplaced) responsibility has filled her with purpose. Obviously it’s come home to roost.

OP posts:
Merryoldgoat · 29/05/2018 19:48

My grandmother had 6 children, 4 of them boys (now men) and her brand of mothering created ineffectual parasitic men and daughters who put up with unbelievable amounts of shit.

The legacy of her poor parenting is being felt by her grandchildren who have had poor role models and bad advice all their lives.

I’m so sorry your mum is doing all the work now - as a PP said it’s a very common story.

Urubu · 29/05/2018 21:15

Could you order a skip to be placed on Karen's drive? Unfortunatly no more space for Billy to park there then...

Whisky2014 · 29/05/2018 22:16

Why does anyone else but billy need to sort out billys accomodation? You are all enabling him to get away with doing fuck all.

PossiblyPFB · 29/05/2018 22:56

@whisky2014 (and others) Because now is not the time to fight this particular battle.

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Jamiefraserskilt · 29/05/2018 23:46

Let's hope Disney son pays x number of days up front with a specified end date otherwise feckless Billy will put his feet up and run up a huge bill.

Maelstrop · 30/05/2018 00:34

Does Billy have a job/income? He needs to pay for himself.

PossiblyPFB · 30/05/2018 02:41

Billy is “an artist” and doesn’t want to “sell out” ... Confused

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Whisky2014 · 30/05/2018 06:58

Well, you're all making a rod for your own backs as far as i can see. There will never be a good time. 60 years old and there's never been a good time..
Not sure what the point in posting is. If you don't want to let him make his own plans just pick the best accomodation option that suits. :s

Ophelialovescats · 30/05/2018 07:06

Leave Billy to sort himself out !
If he calls to ask about arrangements simply place the responsibility (for himself) back in his court , saying " let us know what your plans are Billy so we can tell Mum " etc.

farangatang · 30/05/2018 12:33

Unfortunately, reason and logic don't work for 'Billys'. They are entitled and narcissistic and will likely just turn up expecting to be housed/fed etc...

The issue is Mary who will want to see her precious darling son. Ours is not to wonder why these women worship their feckless offspring, but she is very elderly with not long left to live, so should possibly be shielded from any tumult and turmoil in sibling relationships. Billy will not show any such consideration, so as much as it is galling to suggest, I can understand why Karen and family will put her needs first in this situation.

That said, I don't see the problem with asking Billy where he will be staying when he comes to visit ('we can recommend some inexpensive hotels nearby") and refusing to allow him to stay in their home (but all the while being prepared for him just to turn up).

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/05/2018 15:07

That is true, form experience farangatang

OP knows this only too well, she has said as much. So all they can do is try to reduce the impact their Billy will have.

Posters who don't understand have my absolute and unalloyed envy! Because I was born to a Billy I cannot imagine a life without one. Even now, in my 50s mine keeps on surprising me!

farangatang · 30/05/2018 15:13

sadly have Billys on both sides of my family, too (not a father though - must be unbelievably tough curious)

I totally commiserate with OP's dilemma - reducing 'impact' is the perfect way to describe the situation. I"m shocked, however, as to how common Billy's seem to be.

PossiblyPFB · 30/05/2018 16:00

Totally agree, and I know Karen would be envious of those who can’t relate too!!

We actually managed to find a friend of Rick’s with a converted outbuilding to put him up air bnb style. We are going to be paying them a little bit. Billy has been told this by Disney bro - and Billy apparently said, “But I thought they were getting me a hotel”. He’s been told, if you want a hotel you need to pay for it! Friends have been warned about his ways....

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lostinsunshine · 30/05/2018 16:07

Unless Billy is a minor, he sorts himself out.
If he has mental health problems (being a twat isn't a mental health problem) that is more tricky.
The priority is the old lady and peaceful care at the end of her life.
The rest is bollocks.

MyKingdomForBrie · 30/05/2018 16:22

There is no way I would be bringing a friend into this! He will leave it in a state if he leaves at all!

farangatang · 30/05/2018 16:25

hope Rick's friend remains his friend after Billy has been to stay!

Tistheseason17 · 30/05/2018 16:27

(being a twat isn't a mental health problem)
🤣

QuackPorridgeBacon · 30/05/2018 16:28

Why the fuck did you involve a friend? I feel like banging my head on a wall. You are still enabling him and making other people deal with him now too. No wonder he is the way he is.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/05/2018 17:03

Can I suggest you all stop haranguing the OP? She has a Billy to deal with, you seem to be as capable as many Billys are at taking in other peoples views and experiences - as in not at all capable.

Quack if both you and the wall are enjoying the moment, please do continue Smile

CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/05/2018 17:07

Possibly That was bloody inspired!

You know Billy will be all sweetness and light to the friend, they don't let outsiders see the Real Billy! A hotel is probably be too anonymous and he may well have complained a lot to the staff/management. Mine would attempt to get freebies, even if he wasn't paying. But he would be Mr Generous and Lovely to a Fault in front of a friend! All will be well.

Good luck with the next few days/weeks. I hope all goes as smoothly as posisble for you all!

Whisky2014 · 30/05/2018 17:08

Op is choosing to deal with the billy. It's an option.

umberellaonesie · 30/05/2018 18:10

We have a Billy in our family.
My advice is Karen's children step up and hold the the line.
You just say no. If he protests, refuses to leave you phone the police.
You guys step up and protect your mum.
The priority is Karen she is carrying everything, her mum is dying. Stand up for her. Granny is going to be dead and gone but Karen is going to be left feeling guilty for excluding her brother for not doing the right thing. Remove the burden take the responsibility away from her. You guys need to be the buffer.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 30/05/2018 19:49

CuriousaboutSamphire I didn’t realise that a way to deal with a Billy is to palm him off to a friend and basically continue doing what you are complaining about. Just say no, if he comes round and doesn’t leave, force him. Call the cops if need be. If he asks for money, say no, if he asks for somewhere to stay, say no. You cannot complain about having to deal with him when you aren’t actually choosing not to.

MadMags · 30/05/2018 20:01

Is Disney bro paying for the AirB&B?

How can Billy afford a warehouse and shopfront?

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