Instamums in the Telegraph

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Is there a new thread about this?

Just to say; I’m wrangling my children in to bed but happy to answer anything which people might want to ask going forward. Will ask endeavour to put together some sort of post for IG covering our conversation here/the discourse between all etc. Thanks for all being welcoming and giving me an opportunity to say my piece. You’ve all been very respectful x

*also, not ask... I’m pretty sure you all got that...

Susie. Ah see now you've made a typo all respectfulness is OFF.

(Joke)

I've followed all these threads and haven't really commented. However I did leave a comment on mods dearmumsnet post along the lines of the difference receiving criticism on here to the fawning fans on ig. (May have mentioned looking forward to a dearmumsnet t shirt )

My profile is set to open and I have no problem standing by what I said. I feel more comfortable saying things outright rather than anonymously. 🤷🏼‍♀️

ScipioAfricanus I do think it is more potentially insidious. And ha, I covet a lot of crochet I see! I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting those feelings.

I understand why people have strong feelings about this style of advertising and why those selling it feel so defensive about their role in it.

I thought ‘endeavour’ must be some kind of IG management company or agent. so thanks for explaining as clearly I am that dense!

I'm not being aggressive. Just stating I agree with the (many) posters on insta who are saying Mumsnet can be very bitchy.

I don't think continuing with these threads has any purpose. Quite a few of you made complaints to the ASA about various insta accounts, which were not upheld. Your opinions on children being "used" to advertise on insta are just that, your opinion. You have all made your views very clear. There has not been a single thread which has not ended up naming and criticising certain "instamums"

What do you all get out of this??! If you don't like someones insta account then unfollow and find accounts that don't feature children, or gifted fashion and home items, or people with affluent lifestyles that make you feel bad, sad or inadequate. That don't seem "cliquey", or that have houses that are too nice or too many holidays, days out, friends, fun.

I made a complaint to ASS which was upheld.

Ha to ASA!

@SugarBunker it was Caroline H not Clemmie, although also many others.

I don’t feel bad I don’t follow

But yes I do want a conversation on ethics re children and it seems others did too

This is a new area we don’t have to blindly follow where SM takes us with out question

What was your complaint about Scorpio? Pleased to hear you were successful, that means these discussions serve an important purpose

*scipio sorry

sofia just like discussing the weather or Megan’s wedding dress, discussing insta advertising and influencers interests some people. So even though you understand the enjoyment of that discussion as little as I understand the enjoyment of sailing model yachts, we will both just have to live with other people doing that.

And whilst it was hard work getting critical thinking I did get something out of some considered responses on here and in the better articles

@MarshaBradyo

Do you not put any photo's of your kids on your SM?

Not publicly that anyone can recognise - I think I have a beach shot where they are dots in the distance

And recently they’ve said to me I should ask their consent if I put anything up - even in a small group of 30 - I thought this was great. They learnt it at school

@Sofialemon - why are we bitches? Would it be better if we were being aggressive and threatening but with our photos and our real names?

Without being too specific, Mummy, it was about a post where an item was being praised and there was no mention that it was ‘gifted’ to the person. The language and their past posts made me think it very probably was. It was someone I followed, not one of the names that has come up repeatedly here. I follow mainly smaller accounts and generally unfollow if they get too advertisey but this one had slipped through my net!

And here comes sofia to fan the flames. If you think MN posters should just ignore what they don't like on IG, then apply the same logic to yourself and let this thread pass you by. All you've done here is stir it up when - I think - it was actually reaching a placid tone.

I'm not being aggressive. Just stating I agree with the (many) posters on insta who are saying Mumsnet can be very bitchy.

But Insta 'fuck you, you fucking prick, fuck off, who do I need to stab' gram is an absolute hive of kindness?

@ScipioAfricanus

I have no issue if people want to discuss SM ethics, or instagram in general. However, the numerous threads on here have mainly been about pulling apart certain instamums. There was some awful comments made and constant criticising that was not constructive in any way.

I find IG and the evolution of the various SM channels fascinating from an anthropological perspective. I don't understand how people can't take an interest in what is happening. I follow plenty of accounts that make me happy, that are vacuous fun, or are relevant to my hobbies. But at the same time I find it so interesting to see the development of other accounts and people's evolving perspectives on these. I think that is why these threads feel repetitive at times, because people are often thinking out loud a bit.

@Gobbolinothewitchscat genuinely?!? Jesus. I mix with loads of different people from all different backgrounds and that's such a common thing to say if you're defending someone or annoyed, and trying to make light of it. 'Oh man, I just wanna murder my husband'. Come on now. Don't be purposefully obtuse.

Thanks Sofia for explaining which CH said bitches comment. I have no interest in Caroline Hirons, hadn't heard of her until these threads and have never looked at her page or seen her stuff, so glad it was her who said it rather than Clemmie.