Instamums in the Telegraph

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Is there a new thread about this?

I agree with your point but no-ones talking about MOD @steelpipes

I think we should get back on track actually. And stop getting drawn into discussing specific dramas occurring on IG and instead focus on the ethics aspect

Yes
Perhaps we should avoid screen shots

I know it’s hard and frustrating but they are like thread catnip

@steelpipes - it may not have been wise to keep discussing MOD but it was certainly not bullying... can we please agree that there is a distinct difference between too much of a focus on a (hugely popular) influencers and bullying?!

They have been talking about her charity trip etc. I know it's kind of deviated towards the Wee Slice debacle but I think is also a mistake...

OK. It is unethical to:

1. Threaten to stab someone on instagram;

1. Agree or encourage someone who os threatening to stab someone on instagram; or

1. Not delete or otherwise host comments threatening to stab someone on your instagram page

I said it starts to seem like bullying, I think there were lots of legitimate points made about her which I agreed with and in another thread I made points about feminism etc. If it carries on and on though I can see how it starts to be perceived in a very negative light. Anyway I'm not trying to stop anyone saying anything but I think it's not a great idea!

Lolz - the stab comment poster has deleted their comment with a brilliant MN rant. I think she likes us.

That's completely accurate @Gobbolinothewitchscat !

I do think there was an interesting point raised in a (very recent) story I watched where the person defending the influencers aspect said that having an open profile and posting pictures of your kids doesn't make you a shit mum and nor does having a private profile. I think that's why this whole discussion gets so heated - it's the new breast vs. bottle or cry it out vs. attachment parenting to some.

We need to maintain a tone in these threads which feels less like judgement of, and criticism of, specific people for their choice to share publicly their children's images and info, and more of an open, insightful, reasoned discussion.

I think we should get back on track actually. And stop getting drawn into discussing specific dramas occurring on IG and instead focus on the ethics aspect

Same - when it's about ethics it's fine, it's an interesting discussion.It always ends up descending like this though after a while, just watching and running back over here with "did you see's?!"
Screenshotting, although disgusting what's been said in the comments, what can we really do? Are we the Internet Police? They need to be moderating their own comment sections, and not allowing stuff like that to stand.
If their image/family/etc is their business, they need to be more careful of what gets posted on there.

The absolute hate pouring out of the comments on that post is unreal, it’s disturbing. A mockery of #bekind. It’s a losing battle, probably best to just let it simmer off now. I’m an instagrammer AND a mumsnetter but the divide just keeps getting built up. It’s actually really saddening.

I agree, @CadyHeron

Just popped back to the thread & so confused 🤣. Am a correct in thinking one insta celeb as identified themselves as a member of one of the big gangs operating in W.London, so bizarre!

Good point, Tire Swing. I do wonder about the constant divide building and whom it serves. Brexit/Remainer, Conservative/Liberal, Millennial/BabyBoomer - it seems like it’s happening more and more. Divide and conquer. This is not a call to #bekind indiscriminately or ‘why can’t we all just get along’, but I do think that creating a dichotomy is unhelpful.

I will stick to generalisations rather than specifics in the interests of that from now on.

Sorry son home and hungry. Yes the Instagram thread!

I also hope Kisbot didn't mean she'd reported THIS thread.
Caroline Hirons is a big influencer. Condoning a threat of violence gives message to her 200k plus followers that it is fine to do that. That is bad influencing and absolutely should be discussed.

@steelpipes Poor taste that of all things you want the discussion about poverty porn and ethics of charity trips stopped. It's a no from me. It's an important issue, at heart of which is how the charity and the corporate sponsor conducted things, not CH so much.
This is a thread about an article about CH. MNHQ have not commented on here not to discuss her or to mention names. yes yes non-stop mod referencing or bad mouthing would be bad but that is not what is happening so please don't stir.

Phew yes no more screenshots
General not specifics

Hi, homeisthecalm here

I just wanted to say that we can all be users of MN and Instagram.

It's a shame there is such a divide.

I can't understand why you'd think it suitable to not be clear that you're gifted or paid to do an add, though

I imagine if you have a massive following, it's easy to say they should be moderating their comment section though but not as easy to put into practise!
I mean, if you've literally got hundreds of thousands of followers, and a high turnover of likes and comments every minute, it must be impossible to see them and keep up with them all. Kind of like trying to shovel snow off your driveway in the middle of a blizzard
Really,if it gets to hundreds of thousands level though and invite comments, you really should start getting someone else on board to help you manage it. Or at least keep up and manage it yourself if not.

Can we change the topic?

It's just getting out of hand and the whole community is being labelled as something it isn't.

If ethics is what we wanted to discuss, someone start a new ethics thread and leave the MOD article/her specifically out of it. Because I do think the ethics of this as a business are worthy of discussion - NOT individuals.

I also think general not specific is not the way to go.
Look at confusion sparked by someone talking without a named reference of IGer ranting in their stories and calling someone a fucking prick for criticising their event.
There were two IGers who held events recently so my thoughts were of those two.
People said categorically it was one of those.
Until someone else had to specify that no it was a third person.

Calling people who attend instamum meet ups fucking pricks and talking of stabbing people is an ethical issue. Also possibly a criminal one, probably counts as a malicious communication. Damn right I'm going to discuss that here in an extended conversation about instagram ethics. Now's the time to speak out, not go vague or silent just because the 'other side' is shouting louder.
There aren't sides. There are a few bad eggs on both sides, usually with their own personal agendas.

Absolutely agree about getting help moderating comments. It's totally normal - my old company had someone solely responsible for the SM moderating at all times (not always the same person).

If you can't commit to doing that then you should either be more proactive in asking followers to adhere to guidelines (at the moment it's "anything goes"), at the very least you should be leading by example (not getting involved in ugly spats under your own posts or on anyone else's) or do a Tom Hardy and disable comments.

That's a really over the top response I'm absolutely not stirring that's really unfair. I think I just think the tone of the discussion has degenerated a lot and it's a shame because there are lots of criticisms to make. Anyway I'm just going to leave the thread now I actually think pretty much everything that needs to be said has been said multiple times.

Cady, yes but the fact that she commented on that comment means she did read it and chose to go along with it, that in my opinion is a huge tell to her actual character and what she is capable of.

It’s a fine line but I really don’t want Mn to delete this thread
And they might let us run until they can
So we’ll have to be careful